The President Trump Immigration Thread

[SheepDog4Life]

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Funny, seems like the folks who immigrated through Ellis Island entered the country LEGALLY!

Not that it matters!

 

[SheepDog4Life]

No, not even close, it's more along the lines of a parent takes their 10 year old to a bank robbery, and when they're caught the 10 year old has to serve the same sentence as the parent. Children who are brought to this country, under such circumstances, where they know nothing or very little about their birthplace, and have lived under the jurisdiction of the United States, through childhood to young adulthood, IMO should not be deported.

No, it's more like the adult parent robs a bank and puts the money into a trust for the child who had nothing to do or say about it.

You wouldn't take money from an innocent child would you?

 

[jamil]

Bug I do agree. Charity is an individual thing. It is up to indiiduals to prioritize their own charitable priorities. Legislating charity has the same pitfals as legislating morality. It's really the same thing. Whose morality? Whose charity? Whichever ideologue holding the government stick-o-power then gets to pick their whim. It's just a decision that free societies leave to individuals to sort out.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

DACA, in addition to being unconstitutional unilateral legislation by Presidential proclamation, also acts as a magnet enticing parents to "send" the children here, often via drug cartel coyotes:

ICE Has Arrested More Than 400 In Operation Targeting Parents Who Pay Smugglers : NPR

 

[dozer13]

Everyone is welcome, as long as they come in through the door and follow our laws. The issue is with those that don't.

and not Muslim or from what 6 (ill google it)country's on the ban list. we really do need to tear down that... plaque at her feet (thought i was gonna say that statue huh). give her an updated look a shotgun and a bucket of chicken?

we are all immigrants here by the way.

 

[IndyDave1776]

and not Muslim or from what 6 (ill google it)country's on the ban list. we really do need to tear down that... plaque at her feet (thought i was gonna say that statue huh). give her an updated look a shotgun and a bucket of chicken?

View attachment 58811 View attachment 58812 we are all immigrants here by the way. View attachment 58813

Damn. Here we f*cking go again. If it were a Moslem ban, people from about 5 dozen countries would be banned, not 6. You either flunked math or are deliberately making a disingenuous argument.

 

[bwframe]

Everyone is welcome, as long as they come in through the door and follow our laws. The issue is with those that don't.

and not...
...country's on the ban list...

...we are all immigrants here by the way...

Nope, not immigrants from nations that sponsor terrorism and cannot provide proper vetting.

Our ancestors were immigrants, they came here legally.

We're just trying to keep things that way. Sorry your days of open borders to build an unbeatable progressive voter base are over.

 

[printcraft]

No, not even close, it's more along the lines of a parent takes their 10 year old to a bank robbery, and when they're caught the 10 year old has to serve the same sentence as the parent. Children who are brought to this country, under such circumstances, where they know nothing or very little about their birthplace, and have lived under the jurisdiction of the United States, through childhood to young adulthood, IMO should not be deported.

So, you are saying, if the parent robs the bank the kids get to keep the money regardless?

Good example, Seems legit.

 

[dozer13]

Damn. Here we f*cking go again. If it were a Moslem ban, people from about 5 dozen countries would be banned, not 6. You either flunked math or are deliberately making a disingenuous argument.

it was a Muslim ban just because the courts changed it dosen'tchange the fact.
Donald Trump became the U.S. president on January 20, 2017. He has long claimed that terrorists are using the U.S. refugee resettlement program to enter the country.[SUP][18][/SUP] As a candidate Trump's "Contract with the American Voter" pledged to suspend immigration from "terror-prone regions".[SUP][19][/SUP][SUP][20][/SUP] Trump-administration officials then described the executive order as fulfilling this campaign promise.[SUP][21][/SUP] Speaking of Trump's agenda as implemented through executive orders and the judicial appointment process, White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon stated: "If you want to see the Trump agenda it's very simple. It was all in the [campaign] speeches. He's laid out an agenda with those speeches, with the promises he made, and [my and Reince Priebus's] job every day is to just to execute on that. He's maniacally focused on that."[SUP][22][/SUP][SUP][23][/SUP]
During his initial election campaign Trump had proposed a temporary, conditional, and "total and complete" ban on Muslims entering the United States.[SUP][18][/SUP][SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][26][/SUP] His proposal was met by opposition by U.S. politicians including Mike Pence and James Mattis.[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][27][/SUP]

Visas by country in 2016, showing number issued by size, and countries selected in the Executive Order in orange, all others in green[SUP][2][/SUP]​

On June 12, in reference to the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting that occurred on the same date, Trump used Twitter to renew his call for a Muslim immigration ban.[SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][29][/SUP] On June 13 Trump proposed to suspend immigration from "areas of the world" with a history of terrorism, a change from his previous proposal to suspend Muslim immigration to the U.S; the campaign did not announce the details of the plan at the time, but Jeff Sessions, an advisor to Trump campaign on immigration,[SUP][30][/SUP] said the proposal was a statement of purpose to be supplied with details in subsequent months.[SUP][31][/SUP]
On July 15, Pence, who as governor of Indiana attempted to suspend settlement of Syrian refugees to the state but was prevented from doing so by the courts, said that decision was based on the fall 2015 FBI assessment that there is risk associated with bringing in refugees. Pence cited the infiltration of Iraqi refugees in Bowling Green Kentucky who were arrested in 2011 for attempting to provide weapons to ISIS and Obama's suspension of the Iraqi refugee program in response as precedent for a U.S. President's "temporarily suspend[ing] immigration from countries where terrorist influence and impact represents a threat to the United States".[SUP][32][/SUP][SUP][33][/SUP]
On July 17, Trump (with Pence) participated in an interview on 60 Minutes that sought to clarify whether Trump's position on a Muslim ban had changed; when asked whether he had changed position on the Muslim ban, he said: "—no, I—Call it whatever you want. We'll call it territories, OK?"[SUP][34][/SUP] (Trump's response was later interpreted by Judge Brinkema of the Eastern District of Virginia as acknowledging "the conceptual link between a Muslim ban and the [Executive Order]" in her ruling finding the executive order likely violates the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution.[SUP][35][/SUP][SUP][36][/SUP]).
In an August 4 speech to a Maine audience Trump called for stopping the practice of admitting refugees from among the most dangerous places in the world; Trump specifically opposed Somali immigration to Minnesota and Maine, describing the Somali refugee program, which has resettled tens of thousands of refugees in the U.S., as creating "a rich pool of potential recruiting targets for Islamic terror groups". In Minnesota 10 men of Somali or Oromo family backgrounds were charged with conspiring to travel to the Middle East to join ISIS and 20 young men traveled to Somalia to join a terror group in 2007.[SUP][37][/SUP][SUP][38][/SUP] Trump went on to list alleged terrorist plots by immigrants from Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, and Syria, along with incidents of alleged terrorism plots or acts by immigrants from countries not among the seven specified by the eventual executive order such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Uzbekistan, and Morocco.[SUP][38][/SUP]
In an August 15 speech Trump listed terrorism attacks in the United States (9/11; the 2009 Fort Hood Shooting; the Boston Marathon Bombing; the shootings in Chattanooga, Tennessee; the Orlando Nightclub Shooting[SUP][39][/SUP]) as justification for his proposals for increased ideological testing and a temporary ban on immigration from countries with a history of terrorism; on this point, the Los Angeles Times' analysis observed Trump "failed to mention that a number of the attackers were U.S. citizens, or had come to the U.S. as children".[SUP][40][/SUP] (The same analysis also acknowledged an act of Congress eventually cited to in the executive order was probably what Trump would attempt to use in implementing such proposals.[SUP][40][/SUP] No deaths in the U.S. had been caused by extremists with family backgrounds in any of the seven countries implicated by the executive order as of the day before it was signed.[SUP][41][/SUP]) In the speech, Trump vowed to task the departments of State and Homeland Security to identify regions hostile to the United States such that the additional screening was justified to identify those who pose a threat.[SUP][42][/SUP]
In a speech on August 31 Trump vowed to "suspend the issuance of visas" to "places like Syria and Libya".[SUP][43][/SUP][SUP][44][/SUP] On September 4 Vice Presidential candidate Mike Pence defended the Trump–Pence ticket's plan to suspend immigration from countries or regions of the world with a history of terrorism on Meet the Press. He gave Syria as an example of such a country or region: "Donald Trump and I believe that we should suspend the Syrian refugee program" because, Pence said, Syria was a region of the world that was "imploding into civil war" and had "been compromised by terrorism".[SUP][45][/SUP]
In late November following the Ohio State Attack, President-elect Trump claimed the attacker was a "Somali refugee who should not have been in" the U.S.[SUP][46][/SUP] In early December he said the attack showed immigration security is national security when stating goals for his administration.[SUP][47][/SUP][SUP][48][/SUP] The attacker injured 11 before he was killed by police.[SUP][49][/SUP] The attacker was a Somali-born refugee who spent seven years in Pakistan, the country from which he immigrated to the U.S. with his family on a refugee visa. The attacker was a legal permanent resident living in the U.S. reportedly inspired by but not in direct contact with ISIS.[SUP][46][/SUP] In an interview given for a feature in the Ohio State student newspaper approximately two months before the attack, the eventual attacker expressed fear about Donald Trump's rhetoric toward Muslims and what it might mean for immigrants and refugees.[SUP][50][/SUP]
In an interview broadcast the day he would sign the order President Trump told the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) that Christian refugees would be given priority in terms of refugee status in the United States[SUP][51][/SUP][SUP][52][/SUP] after saying that Syrian Christians were "horribly treated" by his predecessor, Barack Obama.[SUP][53][/SUP][SUP][54][/SUP] Christians make up very small fractions (0.1% to 1.5%) of the Syrian refugees who have registered with the UN High Commission for Refugees in Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and the Lebanon; those registered represent the pool from which the U.S. selects refugees.[SUP][55][/SUP]

 

[dozer13]

Nope, not immigrants from nations that sponsor terrorism and cannot provide proper vetting.

Our ancestors were immigrants, they came here legally.

We're just trying to keep things that way. Sorry your days of open borders to build an unbeatable progressive voter base are over.

again where are your facts?
In 2014, more than 55 percent of terror attacks worldwide occurred in five countries, according to the State Department. Only one of those countries -- Iraq -- is covered in the executive order. The other four -- India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria -- are not.

"Every jihadist who conducted a lethal attack inside the United States since 9/11 was (an American) citizen or legal resident."
New America Foundation
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Nor are other countries -- such as Morocco, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia -- thousands of whose citizens are active in jihadist groups around the world. The executive order mentions the failure to properly scrutinize visa applications of the 9/11 hijackers, but most of them were Saudis.
In its comprehensive review of terror cases in the US since 9/11, the New America Foundation notes that "every jihadist who conducted a lethal attack inside the United States since 9/11 was (an American) citizen or legal resident."

 

[actaeon277]

Pretty bad "muslim" ban. What percentage of muslims did it ban? 6 percent?

 

[IndyDave1776]

it was a Muslim ban just because the courts changed it doesn't change the fact.

You have some really strange ideas about what constitutes a fact. How in the universe does a ban on travel from 6 countries constitute a 'Moslem ban' when there are 50 Islamic countries? That is almost as bad as declaring Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton unwelcome and being accused of having a 'black ban' rather than a troublemaker ban.


Donald Trump became the U.S. president on January 20, 2017. He has long claimed that terrorists are using the U.S. refugee resettlement program to enter the country.

ISIS claimed this before Trump did.


As a candidate Trump's "Contract with the American Voter" pledged to suspend immigration from "terror-prone regions". Trump-administration officials then described the executive order as fulfilling this campaign promise. Speaking of Trump's agenda as implemented through executive orders and the judicial appointment process, White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon stated: "If you want to see the Trump agenda it's very simple. It was all in the [campaign] speeches. He's laid out an agenda with those speeches, with the promises he made, and [my and Reince Priebus's] job every day is to just to execute on that. He's maniacally focused on that." During his initial election campaign Trump had proposed a temporary, conditional, and "total and complete" ban on Muslims entering the United States.

Where is the problem with putting the brakes on the admission of persons from terror-prone regions, especially those large parts of which are controlled by a group which has openly declared its intention to do so?

On June 12, in reference to the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting that occurred on the same date, Trump used Twitter to renew his call for a Muslim immigration ban.

On June 13 Trump proposed to suspend immigration from "areas of the world" with a history of terrorism, a change from his previous proposal to suspend Muslim immigration to the U.S; the campaign did not announce the details of the plan at the time, but Jeff Sessions, an advisor to Trump campaign on immigration, said the proposal was a statement of purpose to be supplied with details in subsequent months.

On July 15, Pence, who as governor of Indiana attempted to suspend settlement of Syrian refugees to the state but was prevented from doing so by the courts, said that decision was based on the fall 2015 FBI assessment that there is risk associated with bringing in refugees. Pence cited the infiltration of Iraqi refugees in Bowling Green Kentucky who were arrested in 2011 for attempting to provide weapons to ISIS and Obama's suspension of the Iraqi refugee program in response as precedent for a U.S. President's "temporarily suspend[ing] immigration from countries where terrorist influence and impact represents a threat to the United States".

So, you consider it morally/ethically wrong to attempt to prevent the entry of people of similar background with those already here and already found facilitating terrorism? To what country and what people are your personal loyalties?

On July 17, Trump (with Pence) participated in an interview on 60 Minutes that sought to clarify whether Trump's position on a Muslim ban had changed; when asked whether he had changed position on the Muslim ban, he said: "—no, I—Call it whatever you want. We'll call it territories, OK?" (Trump's response was later interpreted by Judge Brinkema of the Eastern District of Virginia as acknowledging "the conceptual link between a Muslim ban and the [Executive Order]" in her ruling finding the executive order likely violates the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

The apparent fact that Judge Brinkema has her head up her ass doesn't change the fact that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits the federal government from establishing a national religion, nothing more or less. It does not grant anyone the right of entry for any reason, including but not limited to giving a free pass based on the claim of religious bias.



In an August 4 speech to a Maine audience Trump called for stopping the practice of admitting refugees from among the most dangerous places in the world; Trump specifically opposed Somali immigration to Minnesota and Maine, describing the Somali refugee program, which has resettled tens of thousands of refugees in the U.S., as creating "a rich pool of potential recruiting targets for Islamic terror groups". In Minnesota 10 men of Somali or Oromo family backgrounds were charged with conspiring to travel to the Middle East to join ISIS and 20 young men traveled to Somalia to join a terror group in 2007.

Trump went on to list alleged terrorist plots by immigrants from Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, and Syria, along with incidents of alleged terrorism plots or acts by immigrants from countries not among the seven specified by the eventual executive order such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Uzbekistan, and Morocco.

In an August 15 speech Trump listed terrorism attacks in the United States as justification for his proposals for increased ideological testing and a temporary ban on immigration from countries with a history of terrorism; on this point, the Los Angeles Times' analysis observed Trump "failed to mention that a number of the attackers were U.S. citizens, or had come to the U.S. as children". No deaths in the U.S. had been caused by extremists with family backgrounds in any of the seven countries implicated by the executive order as of the day before it was signed. In the speech, Trump vowed to task the departments of State and Homeland Security to identify regions hostile to the United States such that the additional screening was justified to identify those who pose a threat.

Since you are too busy shouting "BUT, BUT, ISLAM" with your fingers stuck in your ears, let me remind you that the travel ban was directed at countries offering no means of vetting potential refugees. You should not support blind benefit of the doubt here for people with no right to enter our society unless you are in fact the philosophically treasonous type of individual I am coming to suspect that you are.


In a speech on August 31 Trump vowed to "suspend the issuance of visas" to "places like Syria and Libya".

On September 4 Vice Presidential candidate Mike Pence defended the Trump–Pence ticket's plan to suspend immigration from countries or regions of the world with a history of terrorism on Meet the Press. He gave Syria as an example of such a country or region: "Donald Trump and I believe that we should suspend the Syrian refugee program" because, Pence said, Syria was a region of the world that was "imploding into civil war" and had "been compromised by terrorism".

Again, for some reason which defies my understanding, again, unless you are at least philosophically a traitor, you support the admission of people who can't effectively be vetted from a region controlled by a terrorist group which has openly claimed its intention of using the refugee program as a tool for infiltrating combatants into our society. When the time comes that this problem comes home to roost, I sincerely hope that you and all like you are at minimum rounded up and confined in internment camps.

In late November following the Ohio State Attack, President-elect Trump claimed the attacker was a "Somali refugee who should not have been in" the U.S.
In early December he said the attack showed immigration security is national security when stating goals for his administration. The attacker injured 11 before he was killed by police. The attacker was a Somali-born refugee who spent seven years in Pakistan, the country from which he immigrated to the U.S. with his family on a refugee visa. The attacker was a legal permanent resident living in the U.S. reportedly inspired by but not in direct contact with ISIS. In an interview given for a feature in the Ohio State student newspaper approximately two months before the attack, the eventual attacker expressed fear about Donald Trump's rhetoric toward Muslims and what it might mean for immigrants and refugees.

Really? Just because he had been here long enough to get settled in, that doesn't change the fact that he was born in one terrorist-rich environment and grew up in another terrorist-rich environment. I believe you are doing a fine job of proving Trump's point.

In an interview broadcast the day he would sign the order President Trump told the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) that Christian refugees would be given priority in terms of refugee status in the United States after saying that Syrian Christians were "horribly treated" by his predecessor, Barack Obama. Christians make up very small fractions (0.1% to 1.5%) of the Syrian refugees who have registered with the UN High Commission for Refugees in Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and the Lebanon; those registered represent the pool from which the U.S. selects refugees.

The percentages being admitted probably should be that low and those who will be the first to be killed there for their religion seem like the best candidates for being bona fide refugees as opposed to closet terrorists or people using the refugee card to bypass normal immigration requirements.

again where are your facts?
In 2014, more than 55 percent of terror attacks worldwide occurred in five countries, according to the State Department. Only one of those countries -- Iraq -- is covered in the executive order. The other four -- India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria -- are not. "Every jihadist who conducted a lethal attack inside the United States since 9/11 was (an American) citizen or legal resident."
New America Foundation

The implication here is that doing a better job of vetting those who can be is the other side of the same coin. As you have observed here, if Trump is actually pushing a Moslem ban, he is doing a really sh*tty job of it.

Nor are other countries -- such as Morocco, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia -- thousands of whose citizens are active in jihadist groups around the world. The executive order mentions the failure to properly scrutinize visa applications of the 9/11 hijackers, but most of them were Saudis. In its comprehensive review of terror cases in the US since 9/11, the New America Foundation notes that "every jihadist who conducted a lethal attack inside the United States since 9/11 was (an American) citizen or legal resident."

You apparently failed to notice that anyone admitted as a refugee would be a legal resident.

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[actaeon277]

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[HubertGummer]

Why don't we just let everyone in? Who cares if they are only here to terrorize...its only fair


As I recall, the nations picked for the ban list were the nations that Obama (or his staff) determined the most likley to have problem people come from.

 

[dozer13]

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you just argued with the Wikipedia page for trumps Muslim ban which you said it wasn't. none of that was me it was just to prove that it was claimed/called/intended as a Muslim ban (for the nazi vote).
You have some really strange ideas about what constitutes a fact. How in the universe does a ban on travel from 6 countries constitute a 'Moslem ban' when there are 50 Islamic countries? That is almost as bad as declaring Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton unwelcome and being accused of having a 'black ban' rather than a troublemaker ban.sought to clarify whether Trump's position on a Muslim ban had changed; when asked whether he had changed position on the Muslim ban, he said: "—no, I—Call it whatever you want. We'll call it territories, OK?"
if u say we are banning African-Americans for 6-8 months an then after the court tells u that u cant do that then say well just the ones from Louisville cause their trouble then ya ur still a racist

When the time comes that this problem comes home to roost, I sincerely hope that you and all like you are at minimum rounded up and confined in internment camps.

[FONT=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]what is this nazi Germany really ? becusase i think a human should be-judged as a person not by the color of their skin or their place of birth i should be locked the f**k up wow this really isnt the america i grew up in.... [/FONT]
[FONT=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a [/FONT]little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

[ghitch75]

DD is that you?

 

[dozer13]

Why don't we just let everyone in? Who cares if they are only here to terrorize...its only fair


As I recall, the nations picked for the ban list were the nations that Obama (or his staff) determined the most likley to have problem people come from.

Why don't we just ban all guns? Who cares if they are only here to protect yourself with...its only fair
and Obama really would have been happy too... look this is a country of immigrants its what has built this country into the greatest nation on earth.this is how the terrorist win by making us weaken our-self's and has since 9/11.

 

[dozer13]

DD is that you?

lol no haven't seen him around so figured i'd pick up the slack.

 

[bwframe]

Nope, not immigrants from nations that sponsor terrorism and cannot provide proper vetting.

Our ancestors were immigrants, they came here legally.

We're just trying to keep things that way. Sorry your days of open borders to build an unbeatable progressive voter base are over.

again where are your facts?...

Ask your man Obama, he's the one that picked the countries.

It doesn't matter much to most of us. Were happy to error on the side of keeping terrorists out. Happy to add your favored countries to the list as needed.

Folks with your mindset are why we won the election and why we'll win the next.

 

[dozer13]

Ask your man Obama, he's the one that picked the countries.

It doesn't matter much to most of us. Were happy to error on the side of keeping terrorists out. Happy to add your favored countries to the list as needed.

Folks with your mindset are why we won the election and why we'll win the next.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Folks with your mindset are why we won the election and why we'll win the next.
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