The Trump Presidency will be in the top 10 in our nation's history

[jamil]

Uhhh, so does jamil - and his is much shinier and prettier and more coherent than yours

Wait. I thought I was too TL;DR!

 

[Alpo]

I can say the same thing about what you said to me. You think you know what I’m thinking, and I have a whole history of writing the opposite of what you suggested. I’m not offended by that. But I would like you to devote your belief to something more accurate.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen a lot of demographics on the link between police encounters, drugs and social status. It strikes me that we are likely to see police interaction among the poorer segments of society at a much higher rate than the overall average. I think, intuitively, you might agree with me.

However, when it comes to Terry stops, there is no doubt that blacks are more likely to be stopped than whites and it is not necessarily dependent on socio-economic status. A black man driving an expensive car is more likely to be stopped than a white man. And it continues down the economic spectrum.

There is no doubt in most circles that the statistics skew in a certain way. Why they skew is complicated, but a portion of that skew is profiling and racially implicated.

I'm not a #BLM supporter. But I do support equal treatment and enforcement. That's what the Constitution calls for and conservatives should feel the same about that as anyone else. Why police reform is not high on McConell's agenda escapes me.

 

[Alpo]

Uhhh, so does jamil - and his is much shinier and prettier and more coherent than yours

pish posh

 

[BugI02]

Unfortunately, I haven't seen a lot of demographics on the link between police encounters, drugs and social status. It strikes me that we are likely to see police interaction among the poorer segments of society at a much higher rate than the overall average. I think, intuitively, you might agree with me.

However, when it comes to Terry stops, there is no doubt that blacks are more likely to be stopped than whites and it is not necessarily dependent on socio-economic status. A black man driving an expensive car is more likely to be stopped than a white man. And it continues down the economic spectrum.

There is no doubt in most circles that the statistics skew in a certain way. Why they skew is complicated, but a portion of that skew is profiling and racially implicated.

I'm not a #BLM supporter. But I do support equal treatment and enforcement. That's what the Constitution calls for and conservatives should feel the same about that as anyone else. Why police reform is not high on McConell's agenda escapes me.

You do realize that profiling, conducted in an unbiased manner, has a firm basis in statistics? If young men from the boroughs are found to be much more likely to be carrying and causing trouble in lower Manhattan by sampling, and police resources are limited (which they are), then data driven policing (in vogue at the time) will devote those resources preferentially to where the crime is/is coming from. I don't think very many jewish boys from the upper west side were causing trouble, so they probably got less scrutiny

 

[Alpo]

There must be a reasonable basis for suspicion besides statistics according to the law. We would need a LEO or lawyer to chime in on the present state of Terry stops.

Just because a male is more likely to be a criminal than a female and young males are more likely to be present miscreants than others, does not mean that police can stop any male teenager on the basis of statistics. You do not get warrants based on statistics. That is not a free society.

 

[NKBJ]

If members of any group of people smirk at you on a consistent basis and say something along the lines of "We don need no stinking badges" then you as a law enforcement officer have to include that into your calculations on whether or not you will kiss your children good night.

As the citizens who pay your salary we insist that you not make a scene and keep the peace.

 

[Tombs]

I think you know that's not true. You've seen his opinion of that **** just the same as I have. C'mon, man!

It's called making a point.

What Alpo tried to frame on Jamil was unacceptable and ridiculous. Those type of accusations cause people to lose their jobs and livelihoods.
And Alpo knows full well that Jamil is not that way, which makes it doubly disturbing.

 

[Alpo]

Well, perhaps it was too "inside". Jamil understood that it was a debate point against his argument. It wasn't the way I think of Jamil. I have too much respect for his integrity and points of view.

That you misunderstood it is the danger of kibbitzing.

On the other hand, I think you do believe those articles you post.

 

[jamil]

I mean. That’s nice and all. But it’s jamil. Small j.

 

[Alpo]

Yer pushin it laddie.

 

[NKBJ]

You two remind me of raising an animal that had been stuck in the birth canal too long.

 

[hoosierdoc]

This thread is for awesome trump news, I think you guyd are looking for the general election thread

 

[Ingomike]

This thread is for awesome trump news, I think you guyd are looking for the general election thread

Aparently if you have pull with certain mods they will tell them to stop it and delete their posts. LOL

 

[printcraft]

It's called making a point.

What Alpo tried to frame on Jamil was unacceptable and ridiculous. Those type of accusations cause people to lose their jobs and livelihoods.
And Alpo knows full well that Jamil is not that way, which makes it doubly disturbing.

Alpo is returning to his democrat roots.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Alpo is returning to his democrat roots.

did someone quote him so I can see it?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well, perhaps it was too "inside". Jamil understood that it was a debate point against his argument. It wasn't the way I think of Jamil. I have too much respect for his integrity and points of view.

That you misunderstood it is the danger of kibbitzing.

On the other hand, I think you do believe those articles you post.

His memory, on the other hand....

 

[BugI02]

Golden Bear pulls the lever for Trump. Thinks you should, too

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[2A_Tom]

That was a very humble and well put endorsement.

Wrought with white privilege, through and through.

 

[jamil]

His memory, on the other hand....

I may not always remember what you said, but I do remember what I said.

 

[Alpo]

I can't remember what I had for lunch.

Is this on? Hello?!!!