He must be a true Sean Connery fan, because that's a pretty obscure reference....His freakin dogs are named Ranger and Darby.
He must be a true Sean Connery fan, because that's a pretty obscure reference....His freakin dogs are named Ranger and Darby.
He must be a true Sean Connery fan, because that's a pretty obscure reference....
Each state should pay for this, I'd be all for it.
This part should be automatic these days. So simple. Even locking the glass doors would help in some cases at least, although locked glass doors didn't help at Sandy Hook. Steel security doors would be great, the schools that can afford them should install them.
Each state should pay for this, I'd be all for it.
Not sure what schools you’re going to but I’ve worked in probably two dozen schools on the north side of Indy, and in every single one of them, all exterior doors were locked all the time. There was only one entrance and you had to be buzzed into that door by a person at the front desk.
Not sure what schools you’re going to but I’ve worked in probably two dozen schools on the north side of Indy, and in every single one of them, all exterior doors were locked all the time. There was only one entrance and you had to be buzzed into that door by a person at the front desk.
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When I was in HS teachers carried. The school had riots, no one came in those doors...no one left. The miscreants knew who not to fool with.
It's a complicated subject. Most, if not all schools are locked these days, but when you have +1,000 people entering a building in a 20 min period, it's going to be a challenge to identify the one person that's not supposed to be there. Especially when it happens so rarely.
Armed guards is a pipe dream. Millions of dollars spent every year for nothing. Same goes for the idea of using retired military/law enforcement. There's a huge need for responsible adults to volunteer and make a difference in the lives of our young people. This just adds to that list, and in a rather unreasonable way.
Armed teachers is also iffy. To think that some of our schools aren't already full of guns is nonsense, so if a teacher wants to be equally armed that seems fair. However, training to defend yourself, and training to defend a group or structure are totally different things. In a "shall issue" state where the majority of the permit holders consider themselves to be sufficiently trained because they go to a firing range (that doesn't allow double taps, moving while shooting, shooting from cover, or drawing and shooting) once in a while (best case), the odds of such an armed person being able to stop a well armed threat is questionable. The odds of that same individual having an AD in the school, or having some street smart punk take their weapon and use it for their own purpose is rather likely. Wouldn't the left have a Hay day with that??? Still, the teacher has a right to defend themselves. Maybe the best bet is to offer free training (yes, swat level) to those who are willing. School corporation should supply ammo for training, and range memberships. Not sure this would work either but it would address the training issue.
Bottom line, all of these things are addressing the symptoms and not the cause. How sad is it that kids are killing each other and our focus is on how to effectively kill them first.
Why does this have anything to do with being American? You can find just as many Americans that think it's a bad idea. I ok with the idea, but I don't think the president's logic is sound. A person who is "proficient with firearms," isn't the same as a person who is "proficient in dealing with a threat." And the idea that a deranged person hellbent on going into a school and killing people, will somehow think logically and avoid places where some teachers are armed, is just nonsensical.
He may not know how to say it right but he means an undisclosed number of concealed carry persons. The people carrying does not have to only be teachers. For instance, everyone ignores the janitor, with the coveralls that some janitors wear, a veteran who happens to be a janitor tends to be in a prime position.
Just like plain clothes Leo's, who knows who is carrying, that is the deterrent Factor.
My wife, who is a teacher, hates this idea. I agree. They are educators, not law enforcement. That would put a huge pressure on them. They already do so much for getting paid so little.
Armed teachers is also iffy. To think that some of our schools aren't already full of guns is nonsense, so if a teacher wants to be equally armed that seems fair. However, training to defend yourself, and training to defend a group or structure are totally different things. In a "shall issue" state where the majority of the permit holders consider themselves to be sufficiently trained because they go to a firing range (that doesn't allow double taps, moving while shooting, shooting from cover, or drawing and shooting) once in a while (best case), the odds of such an armed person being able to stop a well armed threat is questionable. The odds of that same individual having an AD in the school, or having some street smart punk take their weapon and use it for their own purpose is rather likely.
I've talked with teachers who love the idea. I agree. When I carry I don't think of myself as law enforcement. I don't know if you carry or not, but if you do, do you think of yourself as an LEO when you carry (well if your not actually one that is)? I carry for the defense of my family and myself, and possibly others dependent on the circumstances. I've carried at work, I didn't think of myself as a LEO.
For the last 10 yrs or so, any public school employee with a CPL in UT, along with volunteers and guests are allowed to carry in public schools. They don't have to notify the school, and the school cannot prohibit it. How many ADs have you heard of, or of a street smart punk disarming them?
I think they are two different situations. I have a carry permit but don’t usually carry. The burden isn’t on me to protect anyone either (I’m not law enforcement) if there is an active shooter situation. I feel by arming teachers the burden is on them to take care of a shooter. It also makes it more likely that shootings can occur by placing a loaded weapon in a room full of kids. Where does the teacher store it? Is it just thrown in their drawer? Is it locked up? If worn, what if they are overpowered by a large student?
I expected the politicians to do more because the burden of solving these issues won’t end with arming teachers. What else are they going to do?
School staff should carry on their person. Period. Off carry is extremely irresponsible.
If teachers are worried about being "Overpowered" or "Burdened" by protecting their children that THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, then absolutely, they shouldn't carry guns on campus. (or anywhere else)
Anybody who would rather cower under a desk with their students to wait their turn shouldn't be in the care of mine or anyone else's kids - in ANY capacity.... EVER.
I don't really see any difference, I had a job where I could carry, I didn't feel the burden was on me to protect anyone other than myself. Oh an in case you don't know police aren't required to protect you, generally speaking. If the teacher feels like carrying and having that "burden", why prohibit it? Nobody is talking about forcing them to carry.
As for where to carry, I prefer on body. If they would choose not to, I'd say a well mounted handgun safe.
Again UT has allowed it for at least 10 years, public schools can't prohibit or restrict it. How many instances of those things you mention can you find? How many school shootings with a teachers gun? How many teachers overpowered and their firearm taken?
Okay you expect the politicians to fix it, let's hear some of your ideas of what they could do.
I forgot to address this in my original reply to you. You mention the already low pay. What is their pay? Average starting salary in IN works out to be about $950 per week worked, plus pension, health insurance, etc. Average per week worked is about $1450.
I could see a well mounted handgun safe being allowed. Not just left in a purse/briefcase/etc. But as I said I prefer on body carry myself.
I'll disagree with your second sentence a bit as well. Their responsibility is to teach, that is pretty much it. Yes they are to some degree responsible for the safety of the students but it's not their main responsibility. Not everyone is cut out to carry, I wouldn't prohibit them from teaching. Along with some who's religions prohibit violence against others.