This is what unchecked borders gets you!!!!

[Bennettjh]

I enjoy these threads.

 

[Nevermore]

If it quacks like a duck. Curious where the daylight is between white nationalism and the view that slaves should have been sent back to africa and non white immigrants should be shipped to their own new country...

The issue is, and has always been, that people hop the border and live here illegally and cause all manner of problems because they fall into a crack in the legal system. Even in my own family we've seen it: get into a wreck, fella speaking rapidfire spanish literally drives off before we can get a license plate number or the cops arrive. Cop arrives, basically shrugs, guesses he's illegal and even if he was here couldn't do anything about it.

Here's the thing though: swap my story around and have it be a dude so white he glows and speaking rapidfire quebec-french and I like the story no more or less. The difference is that Canada has not yet become a worthless craphole like most of South and Central America apparently must be if literally climbing mountains to get here is ultimately worth it. Thus, I have no glowing white quebec-french guy crashing into my family and then driving off. If the swedish olympic figureskaters try to dance their way across either border they can be deported too, in favor of allowing the legitimate Mexican, Guatemalan, Cuban, Iranian whoever who actually signed the documents and did the proper thing to get in here. But that's never the discussion, because Tyson and Walmart need their $2 a week slaves to pick their carrots and harvest their chickens so it needs to always be "you hate the brown people".

 

[wtburnette]

As long as we have mentally ill sleeping/ing in the streets....Wounded warriors depending on charity to survive....Hungry children...….We have no room for anybody not of this country. Period.

We need to get our own house in order 1st. No more. None.

Honestly could just end the thread there. Not bringing race or anything else into this, but I'm in agreement that we don't need any more immigrants in this country, legal or otherwise, until we've addressed numerous issues that persist for our own citizens. We're not the world's babysitter or nanny. We do not have any obligation to take in refugees or anyone else, at least until we address our own woes.

 

[Thor]

If people really like it here and want to come here why the hell are not more places like here

 

[GIJEW]

The issue is, and has always been, that people hop the border and live here illegally and cause all manner of problems because they fall into a crack in the legal system. Even in my own family we've seen it: get into a wreck, fella speaking rapidfire spanish literally drives off before we can get a license plate number or the cops arrive. Cop arrives, basically shrugs, guesses he's illegal and even if he was here couldn't do anything about it.

Here's the thing though: swap my story around and have it be a dude so white he glows and speaking rapidfire quebec-french and I like the story no more or less. The difference is that Canada has not yet become a worthless craphole like most of South and Central America apparently must be if literally climbing mountains to get here is ultimately worth it. Thus, I have no glowing white quebec-french guy crashing into my family and then driving off. If the swedish olympic figureskaters try to dance their way across either border they can be deported too, in favor of allowing the legitimate Mexican, Guatemalan, Cuban, Iranian whoever who actually signed the documents and did the proper thing to get in here. But that's never the discussion, because Tyson and Walmart need their $2 a week slaves to pick their carrots and harvest their chickens so it needs to always be "you hate the brown people".

^^^THIS^^^

 

[GIJEW]

Honestly could just end the thread there. Not bringing race or anything else into this, but I'm in agreement that we don't need any more immigrants in this country, legal or otherwise, until we've addressed numerous issues that persist for our own citizens. We're not the world's babysitter or nanny. We do not have any obligation to take in refugees or anyone else, at least until we address our own woes.

There's a distinction to be made between "no more people from abroad who will be a burden on society" and "no more immigration". Most immigrants come here with a work ethic and a desire to apply it to the opportunities here. Capitalism is dynamic where the product is greater than the sum of it's parts--provided we can limit gov't meddling/crony-capitalism

 

[Twangbanger]

The issue is, and has always been, that people hop the border and live here illegally and cause all manner of problems because they fall into a crack in the legal system. Even in my own family we've seen it: get into a wreck, fella speaking rapidfire spanish literally drives off before we can get a license plate number or the cops arrive. Cop arrives, basically shrugs, guesses he's illegal and even if he was here couldn't do anything about it.

Here's the thing though: swap my story around and have it be a dude so white he glows and speaking rapidfire quebec-french and I like the story no more or less. The difference is that Canada has not yet become a worthless craphole like most of South and Central America apparently must be if literally climbing mountains to get here is ultimately worth it. Thus, I have no glowing white quebec-french guy crashing into my family and then driving off. If the swedish olympic figureskaters try to dance their way across either border they can be deported too, in favor of allowing the legitimate Mexican, Guatemalan, Cuban, Iranian whoever who actually signed the documents and did the proper thing to get in here. But that's never the discussion, because Tyson and Walmart need their $2 a week slaves to pick their carrots and harvest their chickens so it needs to always be "you hate the brown people".

I have always thought this is a substantial root of the racism charge being leveled against Trump.

Let's suppose for the sake of discussion that you are the "Capitalist Oligarchy," you rely on cheap labor, and have been getting your way in Washington the past 25 years on trade and immigration policies. Let's further suppose that something dramatic happens in 2016, and you suddenly find these policies being scrutinized and refuted by a political upstart who is willing to expose, demagogue, and ride these issues with his middle class supporters.

Q: Do you want this to ignite an open and detailed public debate about how your trade and immigration policies affect the middle class? With possible adverse political consequences for "your side?"

Or...would you rather just chalk-up that political upstart's success to "racism" and "holding up" and "pandering to" racist elements in society?

The answer is just pure common business sense. You don't want to have a public debate about policies that benefit you, but crush the middle class. So you go with racism. And if the media and at least half the political establishment stand ready to amplify your views, so much the better.

 

[GIJEW]

If people really like it here and want to come here why the hell are not more places like here

I think the US Constitution is what set us apart. Most anywhere else you go, the best gov't you can find is western European style "socialism lite" where the gov't defines the "common good" and everybody is expected to get with the program.

 

[GIJEW]

I have always thought this is a substantial root of the racism charge being leveled against Trump.

Let's suppose for the sake of discussion that you are the "Capitalist Oligarchy," you rely on cheap labor, and have been getting your way in Washington the past 25 years on trade and immigration policies. Let's further suppose that something dramatic happens in 2016, and you suddenly find these policies being scrutinized and refuted by a political upstart who is willing to expose, demagogue, and ride these issues with his middle class supporters.

Q: Do you want this to ignite an open and detailed public debate about how your trade and immigration policies?

Or...would you rather just chalk-up that political upstart's success to "racism" and "holding up" and "pandering to" racist elements in society?

The answer is just pure common business sense. You don't want to have a public debate about policies that benefit you, but crush the middle class. So you go with racism.

It's not just the "capitalist oligarchs". There's an unholy alliance between the chamber-of-commerce wing of the GOP and the DNC who both want an open border.

 

[Twangbanger]

It's not just the "capitalist oligarchs". There's an unholy alliance between the chamber-of-commerce wing of the GOP and the DNC who both want an open border.

People like Bloomberg and Clinton were *happy* to rub elbows with Trump a decade ago.

…"now" he's a racist pig? Come on. Not buying it.

And the Left realizes they can't buy it, either, which is why they're now using the "Wallace" ploy as a more nuanced way of leveling the racism argument against Trump. They see the old pictures of the Clintons posing happily with Trump. They realize that's damning and hypocritical. So, we get this thing about, "I'm not actually calling Trump a racist...I'm just saying he sees a racial benefit in holding up and pandering to certain types of people."

Ah. So you mean the Republican deplorables?

"No, I didn't say all Republicans were deplorables...I said half of them were deplorables..."

...this is the semantic word-smithing you get from the Left on racism in the Trump era. I'm just surprised at how willingly Americans (even one apparent gun owner on this site) fall in for this. They are being manipulated rhetorically by people with way, way more money and power than them.

 

[churchmouse]

There's a distinction to be made between "no more people from abroad who will be a burden on society" and "no more immigration". Most immigrants come here with a work ethic and a desire to apply it to the opportunities here. Capitalism is dynamic where the product is greater than the sum of it's parts--provided we can limit gov't meddling/crony-capitalism

Read my post. t is the one he is referencing. It states that until we have our house in order no more. No more immigrants. Once we are taking care of our own then we can open a "FEW" doors and vette the best of the crop who want to come here. We are at a boiling point in this country. We need to turn that heat down. Now.


Crap, I posted.

 

[wtburnette]

Read my post. t is the one he is referencing. It states that until we have our house in order no more. No more immigrants. Once we are taking care of our own then we can open a "FEW" doors and vette the best of the crop who want to come here. We are at a boiling point in this country. We need to turn that heat down. Now.


Crap, I posted.

Yup, this.

 

[GIJEW]

Read my post. t is the one he is referencing. It states that until we have our house in order no more. No more immigrants. Once we are taking care of our own then we can open a "FEW" doors and vette the best of the crop who want to come here. We are at a boiling point in this country. We need to turn that heat down. Now.


Crap, I posted.

I just don't see the conflict between getting our house in order and admitting immigrants who are able and willing to help build and improve this country instead of taking advantage of benefits. I don't think the issue is simple enough to be "either-or". For example, I'm not arguing against giving preference to hiring or educating US citizens and then allowing immigration according to some quota based on unfilled jobs.

 

[Vigilant]

Immigration should be 100% CLOSED for the time being while we work on reform. After reforms, the only immigration that should be allowed is “needs of the country” after EXTENSIVE vetting.

 

[churchmouse]

I just don't see the conflict between getting our house in order and admitting immigrants who are able and willing to help build and improve this country instead of taking advantage of benefits. I don't think the issue is simple enough to be "either-or". For example, I'm not arguing against giving preference to hiring or educating US citizens and then allowing immigration according to some quota based on unfilled jobs.

Here in is the issue. The Dems will throw the doors wide open in hopes of building a block of voters. They are doing this as we discuss.

Reforms means setting up a proper system to vet them. At present this does not exist or so it seems.

 

[TheDude]

January 16, 2020

Dear Mr. TheDude


Thank you for contacting Governor Holcomb regarding participation in the federal resettlement program. He appreciates the time you have taken to express your views.

In September 2019, President Trump issued an executive order requiring the written consent of state governors and local officials who are willing to continue receiving refugees. In December, Governor Holcomb sent a letter to non-profits that have been participating in the U.S. State Department’s resettlement program that provided consent to continue their participation in the program. This letter will be submitted to the federal government as part of the organizations’ application for participation in the resettlement program. Over 40 other governors have also taken similar action to continue participation in the refugee resettlement action.

Refugees are not illegal or unlawful immigrants, but are people who were fully vetted and allowed to enter the United States legally. The vetting process includes:

A pre-screening interview by the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program
A biographic and biometric screening by US Citizenship and Immigration Services
An interview conducted by US Citizenship and Immigration Services
Approval from Customs and Border Patrol that the applicant is admissible to the United States.
Indiana has a long tradition of welcoming and helping to resettle refugees, most of whom were often persecuted for their religious or political beliefs in their homeland. Even though the number of refugees coming to the United States and Indiana has decreased in recent years, we will continue to work with federal partners to ensure that we welcome those who have suffered persecution.

Again, thank you for contacting Governor Holcomb.

Sincerely,

Kristen Kane
Constituent Services Representative
Office of the Governor