This is why people don't trust the police, some lie

[long coat]

In the other story posted about it, the dog walked around the car and never signaled. The driver asked what the signal was, but wasn't told. The dog only smelled where told to, no sitting, barking, jumping.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I don't know if it is true or not, nor where to look to find out for myself, however the whole "made to wait" part raises for me the question: I thought I read that officers cannot make you wait longer than the duration of a normal traffic stop for a dog to be brought to perform the search. I welcome correction on that point, if it is false or if stated incorrectly.

Blessings,
Bill

Depends. Do you have RS beyond the traffic stop?

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Watch " Cops " on tv for a few hours. You will see endless cars being pulled over for a brake or tag light out and then loads of fishing and plenty of I just radioed for a dog, are you sure you have nothing to hide? Trying to get consent to a search.

It isn't like the vast majority of people know their rights or the law in these instances. The police in these cases are counting on the lack of knowledge by their victims.

Exactly.

 

[dudley0]

I only watched the youtube video but what did he get pulled over for? Was there RAS for a search?

 

[indiucky]

I only watched the youtube video but what did he get pulled over for? Was there RAS for a search?

He was leaving a known drug traffickers house...Which made me wonder why they would let a known trafficker keep dealing so they could arrest his customers????? I am not a LEO (but I know BBI and he plays one on TV...)

and I know some of it's about building a case but it seems to me the first person that got pulled over would call the dealer and say "They are on to you" and would kind of blow their cover....

 

[BugI02]

Knowing someone is dealing is not the same as proving it in court

 

[dudley0]

He was leaving a known drug traffickers house...Which made me wonder why they would let a known trafficker keep dealing so they could arrest his customers????? I am not a LEO (but I know BBI and he plays one on TV...) and I know some of it's about building a case but it seems to me the first person that got pulled over would call the dealer and say "They are on to you" and would kind of blow their cover....

I see, maybe he was just making a house call for his client? That sounds right... right?

I have never seen BBI on TV, just in those movies they have at the back of the store, past the beaded curtains.

 

[indiucky]

I have never seen BBI on TV, just in those movies they have at the back of the store, past the beaded curtains.

"Good Cop, Bad Cop, Big ****" or "Shaving Ryan's Privates"? He had lead roles in both IIRC....I really thought he deserved an AVN best supporting actor for either of those roles...I mean when he handcuffed that gal to the lamp post you really believed for just a minute he was going to take her downtown....And then...The music kicked in...

[video=youtube;4fYfdlKIon4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fYfdlKIon4[/video]

 

[gregr]

That sucks if as described! Hopefully he takes them to task on the non-consent search, but lying ain't illegal!

Lying is illegal when you swear as a peace officer that you`re making a true statement in regards to a citizen breaking the law...

 

[gregr]

Some people don't trust some police, true, and yes, this is one reason why. The other side of that is that the reason that many, and I dare say most, if not all police officers don't trust most non-LEO citizens is because many/most citizens with whom they have contact lie to them in one way or another, whether it's "do you know why I pulled you over?" or "how much have you had to drink tonight?" (The answer to that latter question is almost invariably, "two beers", BTW. When I was on the truck full time, I was tempted a few times to ask, "Just what were those two beers served in, 55 gallon drums?")

I'm not a fan of someone using a position of authority to lie to me to attempt to prove me guilty of something or to conceal their own misconduct. I know that some of our officers here have defended the practice with claims such as expediency or the like, and I do understand where they're coming from. That doesn't mean that I agree with it, only that I understand their position. We're not going to stop citizens from lying to the police, given that doing so is already a crime. Perhaps proof that an officer has done so should be grounds for either a disciplinary action or for a loss of the officer's "qualified immunity" from prosecution in that case or for some set time period.

This isn't a "slam" or anything on you, Trigger. I just know that I've seen enough and been told of enough that demonizing all or even most police officers is not, IMHO, the way to go. It does make for a problem of knowing which ones you can trust, though.

Blessings,
Bill

GREAT post. And I`d like to piggyback this post to say: because some of us will not accept rogue police, who lie and murder, does not make us anti-police. Not anymore than denouncing war crimes would make us anti-military. I don`t think anyone questions the understanding that the great majority of law-enforcement are giving, caring professionals who do an extremely difficult job, and most carry themselves extremely well. Police who act out, and terrorize citizens, who abuse their authority, while in the minority, are a concern for everyone, and should be for the good officers as well. Enough so, so that they would do their best to police their own ranks and root them out. Dirty police are unacceptable, and intolerable, period.

 

[dudley0]

"Good Cop, Bad Cop, Big ****" or "Shaving Ryan's Privates"? He had lead roles in both IIRC....I really thought he deserved an AVN best supporting actor for either of those roles...I mean when he handcuffed that gal to the lamp post you really believed for just a minute he was going to take her downtown....And then...The music kicked in...

But he threw his carrier away by shaving that '70s porn stashe.

He tried to make a come back by talking about transvestites but thus far it has gotten him nowhere in the industry.

 

[gregr]

It isn't like the vast majority of people know their rights or the law in these instances. The police in these cases are counting on the lack of knowledge by their victims.

Exactly. I had to explain to my wife that an officer may not shear her vehicle without either her consent, or a search warrant. I believe a lot of people have no idea about what the limits of the police to detain and search them are.

 

[Hop]

I think office chompy was already in the back of the car so they probably didn't wait long. The sad thing is my daughter told me "I used to like cops".

 

[indiucky]

But he threw his carrier away by shaving that '70s porn stashe.

He tried to make a come back by talking about transvestites but thus far it has gotten him nowhere in the industry.

I am going to catch hell for this thread the next time I see him lol.....There's no way he'll go get me Indi's chicken wings ever again...

 

[dudley0]

I am going to catch hell for this thread the next time I see him lol.....There's no way he'll go get me Indi's chicken wings ever again...

Just throw some empty brass his direction... he is a cheap date.

 

[BugI02]

Being an inveterate speeder, I lie (most often by omission) to the police all the time

"Anything you say can and will... etc"

"Do you know how fast you were going?" Yeah, probably within 5mph; but there are no points given for honesty when the goal is revenue enhancement "No, sir. I wasn't paying attention. I was moving at the general pace of traffic around me"

We will see each other in court when your case will stand or fall on the quality of your proof, not any admission by me

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I don't know if it is true or not, nor where to look to find out for myself, however the whole "made to wait" part raises for me the question: I thought I read that officers cannot make you wait longer than the duration of a normal traffic stop for a dog to be brought to perform the search. I welcome correction on that point, if it is false or if stated incorrectly.

Blessings,
Bill

I believe what you are thinking of is this.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-9972_p8k0.pdf

But as stated below by BBI...

Depends. Do you have RS beyond the traffic stop?

Lying is illegal when you swear as a peace officer that you`re making a true statement in regards to a citizen breaking the law...

What? Where did you hear that? While they can't lie under oath, they can lie to you all they want. Heck they can fabricate "evidence" in an attempt to get you to confess or make some other statement. See https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/731/case.html for staters

Exactly. I had to explain to my wife that an officer may not shear her vehicle without either her consent, or a search warrant. I believe a lot of people have no idea about what the limits of the police to detain and search them are.

The police don't generally need a warrant to search your vehicle, just probable cause.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/267/132/case.html
I do agree with the last part of your statement...

 

[myhightechsec]

I see, maybe he was just making a house call for his client? That sounds right... right?

I have never seen BBI on TV, just in those movies they have at the back of the store, past the beaded curtains.

I used to sell Medicare insurance up in Gary. I am sure many of my would-be clients were involved in things that I would rather not know about. I always wondered when I would get a call from the police over a business card that I just left behind being found in the hands of a newly dead miscreant. Amazing how many old people are plying trades that involve pushing past the edges of the law.

 

[littletommy]

He was leaving a known drug traffickers house...Which made me wonder why they would let a known trafficker keep dealing so they could arrest his customers????? I am not a LEO (but I know BBI and he plays one on TV...)

and I know some of it's about building a case but it seems to me the first person that got pulled over would call the dealer and say "They are on to you" and would kind of blow their cover....

Wait! That's Columbo, I thought BBI played Kojak.

 

[rw496]

One key question is: Why was the passenger arrested? I don't think he said on the video. If he had drugs...game over. The car, the driver, the passenger, everybody is being searched and detained as long as it takes. As far as the stop, RAS is debatable, but leaving a drug house under surveillance, one guy stays in the car while the other runs in for a minute, whatever else they articulate...probably good enough for RAS to stop them, but if they were smart they found an infraction to get PC. Not sure how the passenger was arrested or how they got there. So....But anyway, yeah the cops definitely do not know the law or they would have had both of those knuckleheads in cuffs while they searched the car....or conversely, avoided looking like retards to the world by not knowing what they are doing.