Trump Impeachment Thread

[KG1]

Most of the more vocal "impeach Trump" people can't even name an actual crime to allege that he committed, much less identify any evidence to support a charge, much less a conviction.

Impeach him . . . for what?

We don’t like his tweets.

 

[ghitch75]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ev...n-finance-crimes-is-not-there-top-lawyer-says

 

[1775usmarine]

IBTL

 

[Robert Richardson]

Well his last term ends in 2024 and Pence just might run for president then.
If Pence does even half as terrible as you think Trump did, we're going to be one hell of a country.




Seriously though, what has Trump done that you dislike?
I'm asking because I really don't know. The haters hate but they have never said why.

The silence is deafening. Still no answer to this question.

 

[T.Lex]

A Dem effort to impeach Trump could end up one of the worst ideas in the history of bad political ideas.

Ultimately, much of politics is a numbers game. They don't have the numbers. Let alone anything close to a public mandate to even make the quixotic attempt.

They'll TALK about impeachment, because then it frames the 2020 election in terms of "impeachment by voting."

Actual impeachment would just be a really really really bad idea.

 

[2A_Tom]

not much, if anything will get done on legislative side.

This is a good thing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ev...n-finance-crimes-is-not-there-top-lawyer-says

No one, I mean no one, can withstand the full force of the government financially. It would take all of a day or two to bankrupt most of us. They can charge you with anything and ruin you and the only way out is to cop a plea.

The silence is deafening. Still no answer to this question.

Kut has given a list in another thread. I personally thought that most of it was bunk and the rest was totally blown out of proportion.

Another offers that he used locker room talk on an open mike.

 

[rebarguyindy]

I am not a Trump fan by any means but I still think impeachment is very unlikely. I think the majority of people calling for his impeachment have no idea how the process works. It starts in the house of representatives (with Democrat control this could easily happen), charges are brought and the house votes. If it passes, it goes on to the senate for a trial. The senate must convict with a 2/3 majority. Even if they convict, there is still a vote to remove the president from office (a simple majority is required). This is similar to those who call for the repeal of the second amendment. Part of the process to repeal an amendment requires that 3/4 of all state governments vote in favor of it. It is a difficult process to complete and for good reason.

 

[mmpsteve]

I don't believe the motive behind the impeach movement is to impeach. It is to damage the Repub and Trump brands enough to insure 2020 Presidential victory, and I think they have a very good chance of succeeding . I wish it were otherwise.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

I don't believe the motive behind the impeach movement is to impeach. It is to damage the Repub and Trump brands enough to insure 2020 Presidential victory, and I think they have a very good chance of succeeding . I wish it were otherwise.

I agree, but you know what, people don't care. The Kavanaugh embarrassment didn't stop folks from voting Democrat in the last mid term, so the party really has no reason to tone their act down. Until the tree huggers, gimme dats, and dope heads decide enough is enough, I'm afraid their antics will only intensify.

 

[2A_Tom]

I am not a Trump fan by any means

The more he P****s off Jim Acosta and the rest of the progs the more I like him.

I agree, but you know what, people don't care. The Kavanaugh embarrassment didn't stop folks from voting Democrat in the last mid term, so the party really has no reason to tone their act down. Until the tree huggers, gimme dats, and dope heads decide enough is enough, I'm afraid their antics will only intensify.

Libertarians are gennerally on our side.

 

[Leadeye]

Personally I think it would be great if they went whole hog on impeachment throwing in total gun confiscation and a host of socialist wants. With two years of shrill, intolerant screaming from big media more deplorable voters would emerge like a kicked over fire ant nest.

 

[PaulF]

The Dems won't impeach. First: they don't have the votes to follow through, and I think they are afraid of the political fallout from a failed impeachment attempt. Second: they are building a narrative of "Republicans Obstructing Democracy", and they hope to be able to use their minority status to paint the republicans as obstructionist bullies who refuse to allow "The People" to have a meaningful voice in their government...or something to that effect, is what I'm thinking.

...but you really can't see what independents and more centrist-minded voters dislike about Trump?

For me, it the his utter disregard of the Constitution in general, and the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 14th amendments specifically, the out of control spending coupled with tax cuts that benefit few people for the long term, the inanely short-sighted immigration policy, and his inability or unwillingness to do anything meaningful to lower out-of-pocket medical expenses for working Americans just chaps me raw. Add to that the constant lies, the contempt for his responsibilities as head of state, the adultery, and the fact that his "best people" turn out (again and again) to be nothing more than the swamp creatures he promised to evict. I don't find his accomplishment of the economic trends leftover from the Obama administration all that compelling an argument for his greatness. In his prime I don't think he was smart enough or capable enough to be president of the US...and he is well past that prime now. I look for pragmatism in the political realm. I don't like a politician that is driven by ideology...but I like one driven by ego even less. Trump looks to me to be pure ego, no substance. That's why I don't like him...as for other people that dislike President Trump...I can only guess.

 

[2A_Tom]

Paul, respectfully, I think 8 years of Obama gave you the idea that the president actually had power over the private sector. It is amazing that his results don't even come into account.

It looks like you have joined the "crew".

 

[mmpsteve]

the out of control spending coupled with tax cuts that benefit few people for the long term, I don't find his accomplishment of the economic trends leftover from the Obama administration all that compelling an argument for his greatness.

1. Out of control spending? If you think Trump's spending is out of control, what are your thoughts on Obama's? Adding almost as much debt as all prior Presidents combined. (to the extent Presidents control spending)

2. Tax cuts - long term. The long term health of America's corporations will benefit many for the long term. Half of Americans have 401k's that will benefit, and a robust economy will help many, LONG TERM. Better and higher paying jobs, long term.

3. You really think the current economic upswing is leftovers from Obama administration?

The rest of your points that I didn't quote contain some merit.

Respectfully,

Steve

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[JettaKnight]

Personally as a person who is not a fan. In my head best case scenario is we ride out the last of his term and vote him out. Pence will be equally terrible.

Kasich, maybe?





Hi, Bug.

 

[BugI02]

The Dems won't impeach. First: they don't have the votes to follow through, and I think they are afraid of the political fallout from a failed impeachment attempt. Second: they are building a narrative of "Republicans Obstructing Democracy", and they hope to be able to use their minority status to paint the republicans as obstructionist bullies who refuse to allow "The People" to have a meaningful voice in their government...or something to that effect, is what I'm thinking.

...but you really can't see what independents and more centrist-minded voters dislike about Trump?

For me, it the his utter disregard of the Constitution in general, and the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 14th amendments specifically, the out of control spending coupled with tax cuts that benefit few people for the long term, the inanely short-sighted immigration policy, and his inability or unwillingness to do anything meaningful to lower out-of-pocket medical expenses for working Americans just chaps me raw. Add to that the constant lies, the contempt for his responsibilities as head of state, the adultery, and the fact that his "best people" turn out (again and again) to be nothing more than the swamp creatures he promised to evict. I don't find his accomplishment of the economic trends leftover from the Obama administration all that compelling an argument for his greatness. In his prime I don't think he was smart enough or capable enough to be president of the US...and he is well past that prime now. I look for pragmatism in the political realm. I don't like a politician that is driven by ideology...but I like one driven by ego even less. Trump looks to me to be pure ego, no substance. That's why I don't like him...as for other people that dislike President Trump...I can only guess.

That one mystifies me. If you are a working American then one would assume you aquired your health coverage (which directly affects your 'medical expenses') through your employer. So how did those out-of-pocket expenses get so out of control? You should be able to Answer that Conundrum straight Away. As for meaningful action, did not Trump lead the charge to repeal Obamacare and allow insurance companies to sell non-compliant policies - two things that would allow premiums and deductables to fall. Do you think that your policy being required to cover birth control, mental health, sex change, everyone's children until they are 26 etc etc etc doesn't affect the cost of that policy? Do you think your employer (who pays the lion's share of the cost of your policy) isn't price sensitive? Are you upset that Trump didn't go full Quixote and attack the AMA and AHA head on? Or would you just be criticizing that failure now if he had? Do you even have any economically sound ideas for things he could do to achieve the ends you desire? What are your favored actions in that area that promise to effect your desired changes? It's the easiest thing in the world to be a back-bencher, which is why it earns such great respect

 

[BugI02]

Kasich, maybe?

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Hi, Bug.

 

[2A_Tom]

Kasich is only a 3 puker?

 

[JettaKnight]

Well, yeah, that belt looks stupid, but the rest is stylish.

 

[Robert Richardson]

The Dems won't impeach. First: they don't have the votes to follow through, and I think they are afraid of the political fallout from a failed impeachment attempt. Second: they are building a narrative of "Republicans Obstructing Democracy", and they hope to be able to use their minority status to paint the republicans as obstructionist bullies who refuse to allow "The People" to have a meaningful voice in their government...or something to that effect, is what I'm thinking.

...but you really can't see what independents and more centrist-minded voters dislike about Trump?

For me, it the his utter disregard of the Constitution in general, and the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 14th amendments specifically, the out of control spending coupled with tax cuts that benefit few people for the long term, the inanely short-sighted immigration policy, and his inability or unwillingness to do anything meaningful to lower out-of-pocket medical expenses for working Americans just chaps me raw. Add to that the constant lies, the contempt for his responsibilities as head of state, the adultery, and the fact that his "best people" turn out (again and again) to be nothing more than the swamp creatures he promised to evict. I don't find his accomplishment of the economic trends leftover from the Obama administration all that compelling an argument for his greatness. In his prime I don't think he was smart enough or capable enough to be president of the US...and he is well past that prime now. I look for pragmatism in the political realm. I don't like a politician that is driven by ideology...but I like one driven by ego even less. Trump looks to me to be pure ego, no substance. That's why I don't like him...as for other people that dislike President Trump...I can only guess.

Spoken like a true Obama fanboy. Trumps ego is what drives him to get things done.