USPSA Rules: You make the call

[downrange72]

Thank God there wasn't a round in it. I don't know how that happened. If there was I'd DQD Myself. Someone stuck it there. I don't know who. I know it wasn't me because I don't practice

 

[Grelber]

If there was I'd DQD Myself.

According to the rules, there is no provision for self DQing, other forms of self abuse might get you kicked out under 10.6.2 though.

For procedurals (10.2.1) is there a clear cut understanding of "significant advantage" ?

 

[downrange72]

According to the rules, there is no provision for self DQing, other forms of self abuse might get you kicked out under 10.6.2 though.

For procedurals (10.2.1) is there a clear cut understanding of "significant advantage" ?

Subjectiveness of the RO in this case

 

[Redbeard77]

2.2.3.3 Unless otherwise specified in the written stage briefing, all
such barriers, walls, vision barriers and snow fence barriers
will be considered to go from the ground to the height as
constructed.

Wouldn't this rule have applied to this?

 

[Grelber]

2.2.3.3 Unless otherwise specified in the written stage briefing, all
such barriers, walls, vision barriers and snow fence barriers
will be considered to go from the ground to the height as
constructed.

Wouldn't this rule have applied to this?

If'n it were a barrier ya wouldn't sposed to be a shootin threw it.

(Been in Kentucky all morning)

 

[Coach]

2.2.3.3 Unless otherwise specified in the written stage briefing, all
such barriers, walls, vision barriers and snow fence barriers
will be considered to go from the ground to the height as
constructed.

Wouldn't this rule have applied to this?

It was constructed to be a port on the ground.

 

[Redbeard77]

It was constructed to be a port on the ground.

Ah ok well then that troughs out that idea.

 

[Coach]

Ah ok well then that troughs out that idea.

I like the way you think.

 

[Grelber]

So, if a person has an issue, then blatantly runs down the r.o. and makes contact inside the fault lines, is that always a re-shoot or is it sometimes a 10.6.1 dq?

 

[rvb]

So, if a person has an issue, then blatantly runs down the r.o. and makes contact inside the fault lines, is that always a re-shoot or is it sometimes a 10.6.1 dq?

Working on a new match strategy?

 

[Coach]

So, if a person has an issue, then blatantly runs down the r.o. and makes contact inside the fault lines, is that always a re-shoot or is it sometimes a 10.6.1 dq?

To be a DQ it would seem to me that it had to be intentional. How do you demonstrate/prove intent?

 

[Grelber]

Working on a new match strategy?

I'm way to slow for that.

To be a DQ it would seem to me that it had to be intentional. How do you demonstrate/prove intent?

Apparently circuit court judges just mind read, but anyway I was thinking if it was really obvious beyond rational doubt.

 

[Grelber]

Thing what I didn't know last weekend.

It is ok to cock the hammer back on a still holstered and empty 1911 at make ready.

Competitor got upset and desired butt patting because I stopped him and messed with his mojo so I could ask the CRO about it. I didn't get upset because I figure if you want to keep your mojo pristine you should either know how to relax while a question is answered or just avoid doing anything weird.

Asked the RM about it later and he said there was a long Enos forum discussion about it a couple years back and that it is legal because there is no place that it specifically says that it is not legal.

 

[rhino]

Asking questions is almost always a good thing!

I'm curious: did you stop the shooter solely because you thought it might a violation of rules, or because you thought it was unsafe?

Thing what I didn't know last weekend.

It is ok to cock the hammer back on a still holstered and empty 1911 at make ready.

Competitor got upset and desired butt patting because I stopped him and messed with his mojo so I could ask the CRO about it. I didn't get upset because I figure if you want to keep your mojo pristine you should either know how to relax while a question is answered or just avoid doing anything weird.

Asked the RM about it later and he said there was a long Enos forum discussion about it a couple years back and that it is legal because there is no place that it specifically says that it is not legal.

 

[Grelber]

I'm curious: did you stop the shooter solely because you thought it might a violation of rules, or because you thought it was unsafe?

Rules. I personally wouldn't make a habit of pulling the hammer back on a holstered gun though.

Other thing, one of the guys on the some what super squad thought it would be a cute & fun thing to cock another guys hammer while they were waiting to shoot. Legal also I guess, but I am not a fan.

 

[rhino]

Rules. I personally wouldn't make a habit of pulling the hammer back on a holstered gun though.

Other thing, one of the guys on the some what super squad thought it would be a cute & fun thing to cock another guys hammer while they were waiting to shoot. Legal also I guess, but I am not a fan.

That's uncool. The cocked hammer might not be a rules violation, but I could see a DQ for unsportsmanlike conduct (10.6).

 

[sporter]

What exactly is a 'some what super squad'?

 

[Bosshoss]

Don't get so hung up on rules. I had the fortune to give procedurals to the head of NROI and he said I was wrong and I called the RM he agreed with the shooter. The president of USPSA disagreed with the shooter and RM. Long discussion at RM golf cart with rule book out. I had shooters to run so I didn't hear or care about the discussion.
I still had reasons for my call but they disagreed. Later they come back and said it was something different than what was originally discussed.
So if 3 of the biggest shots in the sport can't agree and have to use the rule book and still have 3 different opinions they can't expect us weekend RO's to know every little detail in the rulebook and make a call in a matter of seconds with confidence.
(I still think I was right by the way)

 

[Tanfodude]

Don't get so hung up on rules. I had the fortune to give procedurals to the head of NROI and he said I was wrong and I called the RM he agreed with the shooter. The president of USPSA disagreed with the shooter and RM. Long discussion at RM golf cart with rule book out. I had shooters to run so I didn't hear or care about the discussion.
I still had reasons for my call but they disagreed. Later they come back and said it was something different than what was originally discussed.
So if 3 of the biggest shots in the sport can't agree and have to use the rule book and still have 3 different opinions they can't expect us weekend RO's to know every little detail in the rulebook and make a call in a matter of seconds with confidence.
(I still think I was right by the way)

What was the it?

 

[Grelber]

(I still think I was right by the way)

There's a shocker.