USS John S. McCain collides with merchant vessel

[Expat]

One of my leftist cousins made a (what he thought) was a joking comment about this all being Trump's fault. My Navy cousin ripped him a new one.

 

[Birds Away]

I'd have to redo the math, but if I remember right, my last 6 months I was at sea pulling over 100 hours a week.

I just thought about this. That means that after doing 16s all week you only work 10 on the weekend? Slacker. Or, as we used to say, Skate.

 

[IndyDave1776]

One of my leftist cousins made a (what he thought) was a joking comment about this all being Trump's fault. My Navy cousin ripped him a new one.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I just thought about this. That means that after doing 16s all week you only work 10 on the weekend? Slacker. Or, as we used to say, Skate.

Man, I grew up hearing that from my dad all the time.

 

[Alamo]

Admiral, Captain Removed in Ongoing Investigations into USS John S. McCain, USS Fitzgerald Collisions; Head of Surface Forces Puts in Early Retirement Request

 

[actaeon277]

Navy Issues Guidance to Provide More Sleep for Sailors at Sea | Military.com


Well, this sounds like uselessness.
Exemptions are made for ships, that already have a fatigue problem.
Next, there's the SAME anoint of people doing the SAME amount of work. HOW does this fix that?

 

[Birds Away]

Navy Issues Guidance to Provide More Sleep for Sailors at Sea | Military.com


Well, this sounds like uselessness.
Exemptions are made for ships, that already have a fatigue problem.
Next, there's the SAME anoint of people doing the SAME amount of work. HOW does this fix that?

Unless OPTEMPO changes this is just something to hang future COs on. Typical Navy politics.

 

[Thor]

I'm surprised that no one is talking about GPS jamming as was documented in the Black Sea recently...incorrect position, false targets, fake collisions alerts...just saying.

 

[actaeon277]

I'm surprised that no one is talking about GPS jamming as was documented in the Black Sea recently...incorrect position, false targets, fake collisions alerts...just saying.

Because with an alert crew, GPS working or not working is immaterial.

 

[Thor]

Because with an alert crew, GPS working or not working is immaterial.

True, but there were two crews involved and some people are raised to trust the machine now. Not saying that they shouldn't have been able to avoid the collision if they'd been on their toes but both these ships were hit by other ships, a false collision alert (and perhaps no indication the navy ships were there) could have spurred the maneuvers that led to the metal rendezvous.

 

[Thor]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/...9.28.17&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief

Back to the future...

Navy Returns to Compasses and Pencils to Help Avoid Collisions at Sea

 

[churchmouse]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/...9.28.17&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief

Back to the future...

Navy Returns to Compasses and Pencils to Help Avoid Collisions at Sea

We have become far to reliant on devices over people.

 

[Birds Away]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/...9.28.17&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief

Back to the future...

Navy Returns to Compasses and Pencils to Help Avoid Collisions at Sea

I believe manual plots are still required by regulations. Even if not, any CO worth his salt would require it anyway. There is no upside to relying on electronic systems known to be so inaccurate.

 

[Woobie]

We have become far to reliant on devices over people.

If you only knew, you would be terrified. There is a whole generation coming up in the Army that has no clue how to use the old analog methods for doing their jobs. All the brains are in boxes instead of people's heads. I guess that's just like the rest of America. But in this case we are betting our national security and freedom on a lot of faulty circuit boards (possibly made by our potential enemies).

 

[churchmouse]

If you only knew, you would be terrified. There is a whole generation coming up in the Army that has no clue how to use the old analog methods for doing their jobs. All the brains are in boxes instead of people's heads. I guess that's just like the rest of America. But in this case we are betting our national security and freedom on a lot of faulty circuit boards (possibly made by our potential enemies).

I am thinking of an episode of NCIS where all the systems are compromised. They cam mot use the computers or phones. Gibbs pulls out a Polaroid and all the old school gear. It was pretty good.

 

[actaeon277]

If you only knew, you would be terrified. There is a whole generation coming up in the Army that has no clue how to use the old analog methods for doing their jobs. All the brains are in boxes instead of people's heads. I guess that's just like the rest of America. But in this case we are betting our national security and freedom on a lot of faulty circuit boards (possibly made by our potential enemies).

I thought I saw an article about the Army going back to teaching old school land navigation.

 

[Woobie]

I thought I saw an article about the Army going back to teaching old school land navigation.

They really never quit. Most of the non-grunts I know can't navigate across a bean field, but they've been taught the old school way. But most combat arms guys are pretty solid with a compass and protractor.

That and commo are about the only exceptions I can think of to the trend of total reliance on tech.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[Thor]

Are you sextanting us?

 

[T.Lex]

Are you sextanting us?

Arrrrr.

That's terrible.

Much respect.