What are these?

[Que]

I have a friend who is getting rid of some guns his grandfather left him. I will try to talk him about the issue, but I agreed to give him some help in determining what they could possibly get in a private sale. I was able to tell what some were, but these (pictured below), gave me trouble. I will be visiting him sometime this week to take a look and get make, model, caliber, etc., but in the meantime, can any of you provide any information from the pictures provided?

#1 - British Lee-Enfield in .303

#2 - Ruger M77 30-06

#3 - Marlin 30-30 Lever Action, Model 336

#4 - Plainfield Universal M1

 

[kevman65]

Bottom appears to be an M 1 carbine. .30 caliber.

One above it looks like a Marlin lever action, can't tell you the caliber.

 

[XtremeVel]

Top looks like the British Lee-Enfield in .303 British.

 

[mms]

that carbine looks like it might be a plainfield, m1

 

[Colt556]

1 British Enfield

2 Ruger 77 old tang safety

3 Marlin lever gun

4 Universal (?) M1 Carbine

 

[kevman65]

No Que, #3 appears to be a Marlin lever action, #2 is a bolt action and resembles too many brands to venture a guess.

 

[snapping turtle]

# 3 Marlin lever gun looks like a model 336 RC (regular carbine) from the late 1950's. Get the serial number and subtract from 100 if it starts with a number:This is good to go since 1972 before that there were letters.

If it starts with a letter pm me and I will get you the year it was born. My guess from the pic is it will start with a letter P,R,S,T. I think it might be a around 1958 as is has the fold down rear sight and peep sight screws with the oil finish and what apears to be a period weaver 4X scope.

Then again the pic is not very detailed.

 

[mms]

if that m1 is a plainfield, it would be worth slightly less then a ww2 original but more then a universal

plainfields like that are post war civilian production but unlike universal they take gi parts

 

[OneBadV8]

The enfield should be stamped something like "No.4 MK I" somewhere or whichever variation it is

 

[Que]

Thanks for all the help, everybody. I'm out of rep, but I'll try to get to all of you. I'll try to get more detailed information when I see them, tomorrow.

 

[The Gavman]

#1 is a Lee Enfield MkIII SMLE or Shtle because it has the barrel mounted rear sight it should say when and by whom it was made on the right side where the butt stock mounts to the fore stock.

 

[Thumper]

The M1 appears to be a universal.

 

[jblomenberg16]

The enfield is probably one of the earlier variants. It most likely pre-dates the ever popular No1 Mk III, as I don't see any of the "ears" protecing the rear sight. On the right of the reciever band it should be stamped with the model and date. It is probably from the 1910's or so and might be worth a little more if everything matches up numbers wise.

 

[6birds]

What caliber is the Ruger?

 

[rjstew317]

how can you guys tell what the m1 is? i looked at an iver johnson m1 last week (less then $300) that looked exactly the same but they don't take GI parts, and from what i have read they are crap. just curious as to what sets them apart.

 

[sj kahr k40]

Guns! What do I win?

 

[jblomenberg16]

how can you guys tell what the m1 is? i looked at an iver johnson m1 last week (less then $300) that looked exactly the same but they don't take GI parts, and from what i have read they are crap. just curious as to what sets them apart.

Two things stand out to me:

1) Cheese grater handguard, which is popular on a lot of the post war commercially made M1 copies.

2) The stock is clearly made and finished more like a hunting rifle than the original GI stocks, which typically had a bit coarser wood grain, and were not finished with a gloss or semi gloss finish coat, but rather a BLO/wax finish.

 

[rjstew317]

Two things stand out to me:

1) Cheese grater handguard, which is popular on a lot of the post war commercially made M1 copies.

2) The stock is clearly made and finished more like a hunting rifle than the original GI stocks, which typically had a bit coarser wood grain, and were not finished with a gloss or semi gloss finish coat, but rather a BLO/wax finish.

is there a way to tell weather it is the plainfield vs the iver johnson? from the picture that is. both models are post war and seem to have the same attributes, with the big difference being parts compatibility. just curious

 

[Saiga223]

If he does decide to sell them, I am interested in the M1 Carbine.

 

[Que]

Thanks for your help on this guys. I was able to obtain all the information I needed to identify the guns. I went by my friends company today and took a look at them. I must say, for being stored in an attic for more than 20 years, they are all in pristine condition. I was so enamored when I saw them, he told me I could have all of them! OK, that was a lie.

He decided to keep the Enfield, but I will be putting the rest in the classifieds, along with a Ruger 10-22. Thanks again for all the help.