What if you felt threatened by an LEO?

[nobody_special]

I guess it all depends on the situation in Barnes v. Indiana the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that a person cannot resist a police officer illegally entering his property,then a year later Mitch Daniel's signed into law that citizens can invoke the castle doctrine if an officer in illegally entering your property under certain circumstances.
Example one:if an officer is driving by and hears somebody screaming for help a reasonable person would conclude this is an emergency and there is no time to obtain a search warrant and as the cop is coming through the door you shoot and kill him you're likely going to prison for murder..
Example Two: You're driving along and cut off an officer who's having a bad night and he goes into road rage mode and starts kicking in your door and you shoot and kill him you're probably justified since he's acting outside of his official capacity

Traffic stops are a whole different animal in the city there are usually multiple police cars during a traffic stop so unless there is a rogue band of killer cops this should be a non issue.
County roads are a little different out in some desolate parts of the state where any backup/witnesses could be miles away for instance I live in St Joe County and most areas of the county are either where Mishawaka, South Bend, North Liberty, Lakeville, Walkerton, Roseland, New Carlisle or even Notre Dame can respond within seconds or a State Trooper but around here they seem to like to bother people within South Bends city limits plus all traffic stops are recorded so drawing down on an officer during a traffic stop is pretty iffy

 

[AJBB87]

Because stuff happens. Surveillance turns into an apprehension. You witness a threat to life while in your unmarked car. You start to set up surveillance and your wanted target jumps into a car and leaves. Traffic is light in the neighborhood, but if he makes it to the high way it's going to be tough to stay in sight.

I've been in pursuit of a robbery suspect where the first three cars were a FBI suburban (unmarked), a Ford Fusion (unmarked) and me (unmarked) until marked cars could get into the pursuit. I've separated two road ragers who were swerving in traffic, trying to chicken the other one into crashing, etc. when one threw a soda out the window onto the other one's windshield. I stopped him for littering. Once they were separated and not a risk to anyone any longer, I let litterbug go and went on my way. Waiting for a marked car would have been to let an ongoing to danger continue.

It happens. It's not illegal.

Dude...from one LEO to another..

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. YES, Stuff happens.... but for F's sake...

We aren't talking about ****bird Jane or ****bird Joe for this stop... we're talking about InGunOwners...

I just want citizen InGunJane/InGunJoe to understand that if they're being stopped, the officer should be in a marked police car (typically light bar and police markings...) or unmarked car with a uniform and official badge.

God help any of our members who are robbery suspects...

Thanks...I'm done....

 

[AJBB87]

This is purely hypothetical. I am not anti authority just posing a question..

LEO's are people, people can make bad decisions. Is there an acceptable situation to draw on a uniformed leo, if so what? What if an UC LEO made you feel threatened? In general I do not trust people, and I think most of us law abiding citizens who carry have a similar sentiment. Dirty cops make up the slimmest of margins, but there will always be a bad actor in any populous.

I am not talking about being lawfully detained, or being noncompliant here. I am thinking at what point does it go from law enforcement to endangerment by a law enforcer? What would the aftermath be even if it were legal self defense? I would never want to be in such a situation, but these are the weird things I think about while trying to block out the smell of the deuce i'm laying down on the the $hi**#&.

Bad example I know, but in 2006-2008 I was stationed at Holloman AFB in New Mexico, we would go to Juarez, Mexico on a regular basis. My friends and I were regularly detained by federali. They would grab us just after walking off of the bridge, put us on the wall at gunpoint, grab our wallets, and put them back with less money in them than when they grabbed them. We took it in stride and joked it off as the Reverse Immigration Tax. Looking back we were idiots to just visit the murder capitol of the world so nonchalantly on top of getting blacked out stupid and hoping that our stumbling would lead us back to the "safety" of El Paso. I do not foresee our society taking a nose dive into those types of deplorable conditions, but if I were carrying would I/Should I put up with getting mugged by uniformed LEO's?

Again I am not anti police. I am compliant with traffic stops and I appreciate the hard work our LEO's do.

Honestly? In today's world? Your best bet is to comply with the illegal arrest and [sue the brown] out of the arresting officer, and department, post arrest. DON'T RESIST...because you will earn more charges. Comply with the officers illegal commands/demands but don't resist. [You will get your day in court] and at that point, you can amend the wrong doing to you and yours... and the payday will be $$$$... most people don't have the patience to last this long, but if you do, it'll be worth it.

 

[357 Terms]

Google Jamie Buford..
Not only a South Bend officer but two St Joseph County officers were involved in that saga

Law Enforcement Corruption

One of his fellow officers wrote a letter to the judge at sentencing, calling him "a bully with a badge"

Certainly sounds like this guy had the potential to be very dangerous.

 

[nobody_special]

Yeah that's what I have heard from more than one person

 

[Trigger Time]

Don't fight the police on the street. Fight In court.
The only time I'd go against my own advice on this is if I felt mine or my loved ones life was in immediate danger and I was in the right moraly.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I guess it all depends on the situation in Barnes v. Indiana the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that a person cannot resist a police officer illegally entering his property,then a year later Mitch Daniel's signed into law that citizens can invoke the castle doctrine if an officer in illegally entering your property under certain circumstances.
Example one:if an officer is driving by and hears somebody screaming for help a reasonable person would conclude this is an emergency and there is no time to obtain a search warrant and as the cop is coming through the door you shoot and kill him you're likely going to prison for murder..
Example Two: You're driving along and cut off an officer who's having a bad night and he goes into road rage mode and starts kicking in your door and you shoot and kill him you're probably justified since he's acting outside of his official capacity

Traffic stops are a whole different animal in the city there are usually multiple police cars during a traffic stop so unless there is a rogue band of killer cops this should be a non issue.
County roads are a little different out in some desolate parts of the state where any backup/witnesses could be miles away for instance I live in St Joe County and most areas of the county are either where Mishawaka, South Bend, North Liberty, Lakeville, Walkerton, Roseland, New Carlisle or even Notre Dame can respond within seconds or a State Trooper but around here they seem to like to bother people within South Bends city limits plus all traffic stops are recorded so drawing down on an officer during a traffic stop is pretty iffy

Are you speaking generally, or of a specific city? Generally, the vast majority of traffic stops are conducted by a single officer/deputy/trooper.

 

[Tomahawkman]

No, you should cooperate with federal and state law enforcement and make a report.

This...

Better to get "mugged" by a cop then get shot trying to show your rights are being violated. Then go file a report and sue them and retire early.

 

[jsharmon7]

I don't feel threatened by law enforcement. They feel threatened by me.

I hesitate to even respond in the same thread as you!

 

[nobody_special]

City limits of South Bend as I said we have so many small towns around here that backup is only a couple minutes away.. I know that some areas of the state are pretty desolate

 

[Vigilant]

Legal, illegal, whatever, I've seen an unmarked new model Interceptor sedan light someone up on 465 to pull them over, and hop out of the car in shorts, Tshirt, and FLIP FLOPS?!!??

 

[hpclayto]

I think they should pass a law requiring all LEO's to be in uniform 24/7, problem solved.

 

[Goodcat]

Completed agreed with a lot of you. I could care less if I was illegally arrested, arm broken from excessive force and verbally berated about how I was gonna be fried on an electric chair and threatened to be shot if I moved. I'd shut up and not resist one moment. You fight that in court. The only scenario I could even possibly imagine assaulting or shooting an LEO would be if he was robbing me at gunpoint and said he'd execute me, and just happened to be in his uniform...

 

[hpclayto]

Completed agreed with a lot of you. I could care less if I was illegally arrested, arm broken from excessive force and verbally berated about how I was gonna be fried on an electric chair and threatened to be shot if I moved. I'd shut up and not resist one moment. You fight that in court. The only scenario I could even possibly imagine assaulting or shooting an LEO would be if he was robbing me at gunpoint and said he'd execute me, and just happened to be in his uniform...

I don't get why this is such a hard concept to understand. Just do what you're told and if you're unhappy with the outcome you take it up through the proper channels. Then there would be no Mike Brown, Eric Gardner and all this other BS that has stemmed from non compliance.

 

[wildcatdd]

Completed agreed with a lot of you. I could care less if I was illegally arrested, arm broken from excessive force and verbally berated about how I was gonna be fried on an electric chair and threatened to be shot if I moved. I'd shut up and not resist one moment. You fight that in court. The only scenario I could even possibly imagine assaulting or shooting an LEO would be if he was robbing me at gunpoint and said he'd execute me, and just happened to be in his uniform...

^This. What's unfortunate to me is it will always be your word against a cop, so the chances of anything going your way in court after the fact is slim. And when it does go your way, it seems the LEO just get's a slap on the hand.

 

[Ggreen]

^This. What's unfortunate to me is it will always be your word against a cop, so the chances of anything going your way in court after the fact is slim. And when it does go your way, it seems the LEO just get's a slap on the hand.

Not to mention a reputation with the local leo's...

 

[Ggreen]

Completed agreed with a lot of you. I could care less if I was illegally arrested, arm broken from excessive force and verbally berated about how I was gonna be fried on an electric chair and threatened to be shot if I moved. I'd shut up and not resist one moment. You fight that in court. The only scenario I could even possibly imagine assaulting or shooting an LEO would be if he was robbing me at gunpoint and said he'd execute me, and just happened to be in his uniform...

Those are about the only reasons I could see a need to draw and defend yourself. I did not make this thread to ask about getting scared during a regular grope and rope.

 

[Thor]

People have bad days...some people go out of their way to do so. Don't be a criminal and don't be a dick and you lower the possibility of being treated as one. Do things sometimes go south? sure. There was this medic I drove over with a tank once...didn't deserve driving over but was in the wrong place trying to be in the right place. Poo happens. Are there instances where firing on an LEO may be warranted? sure. But those instances about 99.999% of us will never see. Take that into account as you think about your armed options.

I personally have a past where people may want to kick in my door and do my family harm. I've committed no crimes that would lend to this but some criminals might be looking to do so. That would lend me to open fire on ANYONE kicking in my door...but then again there are few reasons for LEOs to be doing so. Back to sentence #2.

 

[Hogwylde]

I don't know about anyone else.................... but when I saw that video of that cop arresting that nurse in Utah for not drawing blood from an unconscious patient, I just about came unglued. I SOOOOO much wanted to say I'd have pulled on that officer and perform a citizens arrest. THIS sounds like the perfect example of being "threatened by a LEO" in my opinion. What to do in this situation??????

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I don't know about anyone else.................... but when I saw that video of that cop arresting that nurse in Utah for not drawing blood from an unconscious patient, I just about came unglued. I SOOOOO much wanted to say I'd have pulled on that officer and perform a citizens arrest. THIS sounds like the perfect example of being "threatened by a LEO" in my opinion. What to do in this situation??????

Do what you're big enough to do.