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What is the Biblical View of Gun Control?
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Considering Jewish history it puzzles me how they are not the most self defense minded populous on the planet. Outside of the boarders of modern Isreal; Jews have a terrible track record of self defense. After being chased from their homes into a desert, having been decimated by the Romans, persecuted throughout the middle ages, disarmed and exterminated by the millions during the Holocaust... they still have among the lowest rate of arms ownership across the world, even in the US.
kinda almost what I meant.
I consider it a for all time forward warning against trying to solve all your problems with a weapon.
one might carry a gun, but not use it to solve all problems and against all authorities (including the "fools rush in" scenario from that specific event).
that's a far cry from prohibiting self defense.
-rvb
Let me preface this as just being my opinion. I don't claim to speak for anyone else in this.
First, referencing the Romans, you should recall that the reason the Romans decided to burn Israel down and scatter the population was that the local populace rose up against them and start the great Jewish Revolt of 66 CE (documented by Josephus, who was present during it and actually ended up on both sides during the conflict). That, followed by a second revolt about 60 years later, led to the Romans more or less eliminating the Jewish population in the region. The majority of the remaining Jewish population was scattered to the corners of the Roman Empire and beyond (the Jewish Diaspora as it is commonly referred to). So, certainly up until that genocidal event, Jews certainly had a long history of taking up arms against enemies of the Jewish people.
After the population was scattered, Jews ended up in small pockets all over the place. They were often distrusted by the local populace and were typically heavily restricted in what they could do, where they could live, what they could own, and even what they could wear. The option to own arms was mostly restricted in virtually every place they went. So what follows is nearly 2000 years of victimization by local governments, being forced into ghettos, and being the targets of pogroms in Europe, loose tolerance (up until the last century or so) in Muslim terroritories (though that had some pretty severe limits as well), and no real place where they were allowed to consider home.
Obviously a lot of stuff happened in the last few centuries, with massive population migrations to the New World of all various peoples, including Jews (especially out of Eastern Europe and Russia where things were still pretty bad for Jews). In America, a lot of Jews ended up in larger cities, where they could sustain enough population density to maintain their culture. As such, they mostly didn't pick up a lot of the more rural American culture, which included firearm ownership. Certainly, there were plenty of Jews who served in the military during the history of the nation (and some that fought in the Confederacy as well for that matter), but still, hunting and shooting never really become part of the culture.
For the Jews who stayed in Europe, they were still under the restrictions on arms ownership that existed in most countries (and typically Jews were under extra targeting of such laws). Ultimately, this left the population fairly defenseless for the atrocities committed by the Nazis and Communists, who both targets Jews (though the Communists to a lesser extent, obviously). Ironically, the Nazis and their fascist sympathizers/allies like to paint Jews as purveyors of Socialism and Communism, and the Communists like to portray Jews as secretly manipulative bourgeoisie Capitalists, so we got it from both ends, if you will.
Anyway, I digress. So after the Holocaust, you end up with a big split in how self defense is viewed in Jewish communities. In the US and for the populations remaining in Western Europe, they stayed more or less the same, not having that as part of the culture. While I can understand why that is in the US, since we never faced any of the horrors that our cousins did in Europe and the Middle East, I honestly have no clue how the remaining Jews in Europe could. In my mind, they should have been the first clamoring for arms after the war and be the staunchest supporters of gun rights. On the other hand, you have the Israelis, who now make up about 44% of the global Jewish population. They are mostly made up of the local Jews who were living in the region (relatively small number), the much larger Sephardic population that was expelled from the surrounding Muslim countries after 1948, the early Zionists who mostly came from Western Europe in the last 1800's and early 1900's, and then the post-World War II immigrants, a lot of whom were survivors of the Holocaust along with a smattering of pretty motivated immigrants from Allied countries who came to help the newly independent state stay alive. Basically, from the 1930's on, the Jews in Israeli have fought war after war against much larger armies, led by people who were publicly claiming that they wanted to wipe out the Jews and push them into the sea. You have 3 major wars fought from 1948 to 1973, followed by all sorts of low grade conflict and terrorism. All of that does a lot to clarify a sense of self-reliance in a population.
Most American Jews, on the other hand (as well as Canadian and British, and to a lesser extent French), for at least the last century (longer in the Americas) have been able to consider themselves citizens of their countries first, and Jews second, rather than Jews who were barely tolerated and allowed to live in a place (even if they've been there for centuries). So, like most Americans, American Jews don't have that multi-generational sense of being threatened all the time. That removes a lot of the impetus for maintaining arms for self defense, leaving really just sport shooting and hunting as the primary driver for gun ownership (which I mentioned before isn't really part of the mostly urban culture).
As to party affiliation (and thus the indirect support for gun rights and gun control), the Republicans only have themselves to blame for that one. As the parties have shifted and the Republicans took up the Southern strategy in particular, they ended up alienating a good chunk of the immigrant communities in the process. In the 19th century and early parts of the 20th century, the Republicans in the north often backed nativist candidates and the northern Democrats, especially during and after the Civil War when their power base was shattered, started doing heavy recruitment of immigrants, which included a lot of the Jewish immigrants coming into the country. Its the same problem the Republicans have and continue to have with Hispanic and Asian immigrants as well, despite the immigrants' social values typically more closely aligning with what Republicans claim to be for. With Trump doubling down on this, I think the Republicans have signed their eventual death warrant just based on sheer demographics. Unfortunately, they might be taking our gun rights with them, letting the left align gun ownership with bigotry in the general public's mind (hence the bitterly clinging to guns and religion, etc). But, I'm way off topic at this point.
So yeah, what were we talking about?
Levitical law says that if someone breaks into your house at night and you killed them, you are not to blame. But, if you kill someone who breaks into your house during daylight you are to blame. Now all you have to do is figure that one out.
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Well played...and appreciated.
Punny, very punny.
Cannot get the clown car image out of my head now...
