I mean really? I'd love to make it to my Grandfathers in the U.P. MI. 180 acres, no neightbors, all vacation homes. But when I picture the road blocks and traffic jams, lack of gas, burning twice as much fuel from the stand stills. Trying to dodge looters, trying to fool military personal into thinking I have no firearms. The chance of firefights with kids in car. It seems pointless in planning. I feel by the time I realize we won't make it. Just a rant, no point in the thread. But do others feel this way? That is what i wonder