Whose generation is to blame for current state of US

[jedi]

I just finished watching hamburger hill (Battle of Hamburger Hill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) while doing exercise. This is probably my 4th time watching it and there was a part in the movie that got me thinking about the question in this thread.

In a scene where the US soldiers are talking one is having how we wants to go back home and get some of that "free love" he keeps hearing about. Another one says it's over-rated and that yes there is free love those hippies love cats, dogs, etc.. they love everyone except you (ie the solider). All I could think about with that line was that the hippies were liberals to the EXTREME!

Let me backtrack a bit. I was born in the late 1970s. When I look back at US history I break it up as follows.
Generation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WW II Generation - ie The Great Generation
(born from around 1901 to 1924)

The silent Generation - Until today I had never heard of them
(born 1925 to 1945)

The Baby Boomers - ie the kids of the WW II Vets
(about 1946 up to approximately 1964)

Generation X - My generation
(ranging from 1961 to the latest 1981)

Generation Y - ie. Millennial babies
(date 1970s to the latest in the early 2000s)

Generation Z - ie Internet babies
(generally dated in the early 1990s+)
For sure Generation Y and Z can not be to blame for the current state of the US. They are way too young. Granted I'm sure they will make their own mistakes.

Now before we can answer who is to blame when do we begin to think of the blame starting? Yes the creation of SS was a mistake, probably the first name into the coffin of getting people to think of "my entitlements".

Up next I would say federal welfare (started in the 1930s and some major overhauls in the 1960s per Welfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) so I think then that Generation X would also be in the clear in terms of starting the problem.

Which leaves the WW II Generation, The silent Generation and The Baby Boomers. So would it be safe to say that the WWII gen is to blame for the start of SS and the silent and baby boomers are to blame for welfare and thus all three of those generations of which the baby boomers are still around (majority) are really the ones that got us into this mess.

I'm not picking a fight with the old folks just want to understand the mentality and thinking of the prior generations and what their actions (if any) have now cause us to be where we are at. Yes Generations X, Y, and Z have other things to blame for but here I'm focusing on how we got to where we are at now in which society is a "give me, give me" states.

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[Kirk Freeman]

Woodrow Wilson's generation.

 

[42769vette]

im nearing 30 so im not sure what generation that is, but imo my age to say 40 have done more than our share. lets face it without us barack probably wouldn't be president.

 

[dross]

Everyone who has drawn Social Security and voted against reforms is guilty.

We currently take 13% of the poorest demographic's paychecks and pay it directly to the richest demographic's bank accounts. Only now it's operating at a deficit, which means we're taking it from the poorest to give to the richest AND accumulating debt that our children must pay.

Social Security may be the most egregious abuse of freedom ever perpetrated in this country.

 

[jedi]

im nearing 30 so im not sure what generation that is, but imo my age to say 40 have done more than our share. lets face it without us barack probably wouldn't be president.

Yes Generation X, Y and Z WILL BE BLAMED FOR I7BO when the history books are written. It will be the DARKEST mark against our generation.

What I want to focus on is how we got here (current states) where we have people who would rather be on welfare than work, who think I7BO is going to pay for their house, who see nothing wrong with illegals, who want diversity, etc..

My only images of the 60s and before is what I have seen on TV and the documentaries which off course is not that great of a ref. point.

 

[mrjarrell]

While I can agree with Kirk's assertion that Wilson's generation set us on this path, those most to blame for where we're at are the WW2 generation and the boomers. They do love their entitlements and were pretty big fans of Roosevelt. The two of them gave us the Congresses we've had and that did so much damage to this country over the decades. Both share the blame.

 

[Brett]

I believe more damage has been done to our country over the last 2 years than in the previous 40 years. I am 32, and I mostly blame my generation down to those who were 18 in 2008. I think we are the big reason why Barry Obama was elected. Mind you, I didn't vote for him but many in my age group were dumb and uninformed about who the hell they were voting for.

 

[dross]

Yes Generation X, Y and Z WILL BE BLAMED FOR I7BO when the history books are written. It will be the DARKEST mark against our generation.

What I want to focus on is how we got here (current states) where we have people who would rather be on welfare than work, who think I7BO is going to pay for their house, who see nothing wrong with illegals, who want diversity, etc..

My only images of the 60s and before is what I have seen on TV and the documentaries which off course is not that great of a ref. point.

Don't blame us Xers. We're almost all over thirty. Voters over thirty tended to vote for McCain.

We can blame women if we want.

 

[96firephoenix]

I'm mad that I was only 17 in november, 2008, just cuz I missed an opportunity to vote against BO. there's always 2012

 

[jedi]

I believe more damage has been done to our country over the last 2 years than in the previous 40 years. I am 32, and I mostly blame my generation down to those who were 18 in 2008. I think we are the big reason why Barry Obama was elected. Mind you, I didn't vote for him but many in my age group were dumb and uninformed about who the hell they were voting for.

Don't blame us Xers. We're almost all over thirty. Voters over thirty tended to vote for McCain.

We can blame women if we want.

Both of you are missing the target. This is not about I7BO or how he got elected. It's more about the "culture" that got us to this "me entitlement" and lack of personal responsibility that is the root cause of it all. That is the issue I want to focus on. Which generation taught us this "entitlement" bs.

 

[OAK]

To be honest I blame my generation... But mainly all those libtard college students who voted because MTV pressed the "Tear down racial barriers and have a black man who promises change as president" shi*! There should be some sort of minimum IQ standard test administered before voting!

 

[jedi]

To be honest I blame my generation... But mainly all those libtard college students who voted because MTV pressed the "Tear down racial barriers and have a black man who promises change as president" shi*! There should be some sort of minimum IQ standard test administered before voting!

but your generation like my has grown up thinking it is OKAY to have welfare, to look at the government for hand outs, etc... My grandfather on the other hand (when he was alive) would never accept a handout. Even back in the mid 80s when he was laid off work from Inland Steel did like many his age did NOT collect unemployment benefits. He said he did not work for that money. He was very angry at my dad who did collect it when he was laid off.

It's that mentality (which my grandma still has; grandma passed away 5 years ago) that I wonder where we lost it. Which generation started not to think like the one before it and failed to pass along that ethnic of hard work and instead choose the free ride junk we know have?

 

[dross]

Both of you are missing the target. This is not about I7BO or how he got elected. It's more about the "culture" that got us to this "me entitlement" and lack of personal responsibility that is the root cause of it all. That is the issue I want to focus on. Which generation taught us this "entitlement" bs.

It started in the late 19th century with Karl Marx. The socialists had an intellectual following in the early part of the century but it didn't become widely accepted until Roosevelt "didn't let a crisis go to waste." After that it became institutionalized and has steadily dug in its claws.

 

[UncleMike]

No one generation is to blame for the mess that we are in now.
Our situation is the cumulative effect of EVERY generations faults and beliefs.
To blame one single generation for the Worlds ills is like blaming Eve for abortion.
The blame belongs to EVERYONE.
To try and cure the mess is up to those of us alive today and those that will follow us!!
Mike

 

[OAK]

Both of you are missing the target. This is not about I7BO or how he got elected. It's more about the "culture" that got us to this "me entitlement" and lack of personal responsibility that is the root cause of it all. That is the issue I want to focus on. Which generation taught us this "entitlement" bs.

Sorry for my earlier derail...

As far as I can tell American Entitlement began with Roosevelt's "New Deal" which in turn led to the 1935 Social Security Act only enforcing "This is my piece of the pie"!

I believe the real kicker to be in the 1960's. Where LBJ's administration declared an ostensible "war on poverty" with its Head Start, Job Corps, food stamps, and MEDICAID funded education, job training, direct food assistance, and direct medical assistance. Although the poverty rate declined in the 60s, more than 4 million new recipients signed up for welfare. Humm....

Then in 1996 President Bill Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. Under the act, the federal government gave annual lump sums to the states to use to assist the poor.

I believe this is the reason for "Generational Entitlment" that we are seeing.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Baby boomers/Gen X are certainly responsible.


I dont disagree with the concept of Welfare, helping those down on they're luck.

But let's be honest, Welfare is not working in that way. It attracts a population of peoples who dont seek to work an honest day's pay, at the level that meets they're merit.

I think the Swedes demonstrated how useful a welfare program is, but with Asylum seekers, the welfare program exploded. Ask any Swede about immigration and Welfare and you would swear they are talking about America.


The exploitation of welfare is the problem - to fix it, people need to starve off. Govt Welfare replaced Family welfare.



And lastly, to refer to Socialist as Intellectuals is a fallacy. Living in a fantsey land, where everyone is ****** is NOT living in reality as we know the arguements.


Mike, there is certainly blame that goes around to all; However, I do see two Generations as the main source of American cultural problems.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

How many of us Boomers remember Civics and Social Studies in Grade and High Schools? I blame a good bit of our current situation on the Hippies and Anarchists and Communists (closet and otherwise) who decided that since they couldn't cause the Revolution by being radical activists (and their parents wouldn't let them live at home anymore) they would finish college and become teachers.

The education profession has been infiltrated thoroughly, first at the universities, then they trickled down into Secondary education, and now they're entrenched in public education throughout our country, and have infiltrated parochial schools pretty thoroughly, as well.

They're the ones who've introducted Gen X, Y & Z to the glories of Big Government. They've dumbed down education in History and Civics to the point that, in New York City, a radio station doing Man-On-The-Street interviews could rarely find someone under the age of 40 who knew who the current Vice President was, or who didn't know anything about current events.

This isn't a strictly East/West Coast thing either. Many people I know are successful in business but cannot coherently put two sentences together (I'm not speaking of "forum-writing" - for some reason, my fingers have forgotten how to touch type and I find the stupidest errors after I post). People in sales jobs, especially young people, have trouble making change if the cash register doesn't tell them how. And some have trouble even then.

Since we've taken the Pledge of Alliegence out of schools, and to a lesser extent, prayer, we've abandoned the cohesiveness and societal pressure that encouraged new immigrants to learn the language and strive to become part of our culture.

My generation started the "do your own thing" idea and aggressively pushed non-conformity. As the ideas caught on, people were discouraged from conforming to the cultural norm.

When the government discouraged two-parent families by making it more lucrative to be an unmarried mother than to be part of a two-parent family, that further discouraged cultural conformity.

When ghetto kids couldn't get a decent education, they turned their ignorance into pride. I still remember my shock in 1977 when one of my crewchiefs bragged about his daughter and talked about his baby's mother. I couldn't believe it when he told me he had never been married. Later on in the 70s and 80s that became more commonplace, and now you can't call it a racial thing because many young kids find it cool to "have a baby" and to talk and act like undereducated goofs.

Now my generation is reaching retirement age and, rest assured, we're going to reap at least some of which we've sewn. But Gen X, Y, & Z will be worse off if they don't manage to turn things around.

 

[Son of Liberty]

What I find funny is the complaining BO as if McCain/ Palin was better.
I look at it like this, if McCain died, than Palin is top dog.
I sure didn't want that.
He had a chance for my vote and then he pick Palin as Vice and he lost it after a couple of speeches from her.

 

[woundedyak]

Baby boomers and hippies!

 

[christman]

I blame 99% of lifes problems on hippies and the dutch.