Why the DHS Ammo Order is No Big Deal

[R3l0@d3r]

DHS Respnose to Senator Coburn reference ammo purchases.

Government Security News Article:
DHS tallies up ammo purchases for Sen. Coburn | Government Security News

DHS Response to Senator Coburn:
http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public...&File_id=9cde768f-bb3a-4fd9-8176-1745c21519c2

 

[Hemingway]

So, it looks like most officers get about 1,000 rounds a year for practice/qualifications?

Ha, I've used that in 2 days on the range. Sounds like DHS needs to double or triple that order if they expect their officers to be even adequately equipped.

 

[rambone]

So, it looks like most officers get about 1,000 rounds a year for practice/qualifications?

Ha, I've used that in 2 days on the range. Sounds like DHS needs to double or triple that order if they expect their officers to be even adequately equipped.

Hopefully you paid for your own ammo. They can do the same.

 

[Hemingway]

Hopefully you paid for your own ammo. They can do the same.

I paid for mine AND theirs

 

[drillsgt]

Hopefully you paid for your own ammo. They can do the same.

Agreed, they should already be "trained" so if they want to shoot above and beyond that which is required in annual or semi-annual (or more) qualifications which i'm sure is much much less than 1000rds they can pay for it themselves. Who knows the way things are heading it's probably in all our best interests to keep them as ill-trained as possible.

 

[Hemingway]

Who knows the way things are heading it's probably in all our best interests to keep them as ill-trained as possible.

I think they're well on their way.

Most qualification courses are 50 rounds. I think it said they qualify quarterly so that's 200 rounds right there. If they shoot the course twice each time, that's 400 rounds.

Leaving about 600 rounds to stay trained--Ha! No one can stay trained at 600 rounds a year. Not at any decent level of proficiency. I can shoot that in one day of hard training.

600 rounds over a year for training? That's like saying I go to the gym on the 5th day of every month to stay physically fit. (Hey, that might be a plan I could get used to.)

So, it seems like in addition to costing a lot in tax dollars, we aren't getting any trained officers for all this money spent anyway What's the point?

 

[Pinchaser]

There are 200K DHS with all the different departments.

Sometimes, the symptoms of a problem are what get attention when, in reality, there is a root problem that causes the symptoms.

200K in DHS? Why? For that matter, why does the DHS exist at all?

There's the root problem. No DHS, no justification for buying ammo.....

 

[maxmayhem]

i am more concerned about 100,000 dhs people LOL

 

[hoagyfire]

anyone really know what homeland security agents do? ive not been impressed with anything marked by "homeland"... i could be wrong

 

[Expatriated]

anyone really know what homeland security agents do? ive not been impressed with anything marked by "homeland"... i could be wrong

There are no "Homeland Security Agents". DHS is the umbrella that covers a bunch of different agencies.

I guess you could call a Secret Service Agent a "Homeland Security Agent", but it would not be as accurate as possible. It would be like calling an ATF Agent, and FBI Agent, a Bureau of Prisons guard and a U.S. Marshal "DOJ Agents" since they are all under DOJ. Technically it's accurate, but it's not really specific. It's about as general as saying "Government Agents".

There are ICE Agents and Agents with Federal Protective Service and Coast Guard and Border Patrol Agents, etc, etc, etc, that are all Homeland Security Agents if you want to use that term but there is not an agency who are specific DHS Special Agents.

I think your average Secret Service agent would bristle if you called him a DHS agent Same with Coast Guard or whomever. You think Coast Guard, with their 200+ years tradition walk around saying, "I'm DHS"? haha!

 

[ocsdor]

 

[lucky4034]

i am more concerned about 100,000 dhs people LOL

This...

 

[SmithGuy]

anyone really know what homeland security agents do? ive not been impressed with anything marked by "homeland"... i could be wrong

DHS has a Search and Rescue Academy at Camp Atterbury. I attended a tour there and it was very cool.

Camp Atterbury Joint Maneuver Training Center (CAJMTC) > Facilities > Search & Rescue Academy

 

[IndyDave1776]

DHS has a Search and Rescue Academy at Camp Atterbury. I attended a tour there and it was very cool.

Camp Atterbury Joint Maneuver Training Center (CAJMTC) > Facilities > Search & Rescue Academy

Search and rescue training was invented after the establishment of DHS?

Seriously, that does not justify the existence of such an agency.

 

[dirtfarmerz]

Sometimes, the symptoms of a problem are what get attention when, in reality, there is a root problem that causes the symptoms.

200K in DHS? Why? For that matter, why does the DHS exist at all?

There's the root problem. No DHS, no justification for buying ammo.....

Who is the enemy that would require a force equal to our military to control? "Their" national security objectives will take a force equal to our military to control. Doesn't that seem a little extreme?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B19PDXL2csw&feature=related

 

[Warrior]

Still concerned about growing government agencies no matter how well intentioned. Larger government is still bound to trample on your liberty. I wonder which citizens are expendable enough for these departments to be shooting at?