Will the People of Catalonia Have Their Say on Secession?

[Kirk Freeman]

For some reason I was able to foresee all this rubbish. It's like I knew the gang of corrupt politicians were looking for a distraction.

Catalonia independence declaration signed and suspended - BBC News

In Catalan, "independence" means "we have to protect our phony baloney jobs".

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Bwahaha, brave Catalan politicians. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-to-hold-crisis-talks-on-catalan-independence

 

[historian]

Spain calls their bluff.

Catalonia: Spain issues deadline to separatists - BBC News

Five days to declare independence or not. If yes, then three days to go back before Spain invokes Article 155 of their constitution.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Spain calls their bluff.

Catalonia: Spain issues deadline to separatists - BBC News

Five days to declare independence or not. If yes, then three days to go back before Spain invokes Article 155 of their constitution.

I am hoping for the formation of a "Ron Paul Brigade" which will flock to Catalonia.

 

[Liberty1916]

I guess politicians everywhere don't really care what the voters think.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Look for Kirk Freeman's latest blockbuster, "Homage to Wookies in Catalonia: my time with the Ron Paul brigade"

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I guess politicians everywhere don't really care what the voters think.

The politicians of Catalonia only care about the politicians of Catalonia.

 

[Liberty1916]

The politicians of Catalonia only care about the politicians of Catalonia.

Seems to be a universal problem.

 

[historian]

Whelp. That didn't go as planned for the Catalonian leaders.

Catalonia crisis: Spain moves to suspend autonomy - BBC News

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Whelp. That didn't go as planned for the Catalonian leaders.

Catalonia crisis: Spain moves to suspend autonomy - BBC News

It went exactly as they planned. This whole phony movement was a distraction from the corruption of Catalonian leaders.

 

[HoughMade]

Of course he’s serious. Isn’t Catalonia everyone’s favorite dressing?

Too much sugar.

 

[Hkindiana]

Replace "California" everywhere you read "Catalonia" and the articles get pretty interesting

 

[Liberty1916]

Regardless of whether or not the politicians are corrupt, I don't get why people (not directed at anyone personally) have knee jerk opposition to other people's independence. It would be like your spouse wanting a divorce and then using force to keep him/her in the house.

If say California for instance wanted to be independent, my reaction would be - "well bye". I truly don't get why anyone would want to keep them part of the country by force. I realize there may be financial and/or political reasons that politicians and big business care about, but that's not what I mean. I'm talking about the average Joe. Why should he care?

 

[historian]

Regardless of whether or not the politicians are corrupt, I don't get why people (not directed at anyone personally) have knee jerk opposition to other people's independence. It would be like your spouse wanting a divorce and then using force to keep him/her in the house.

If say California for instance wanted to be independent, my reaction would be - "well bye". I truly don't get why anyone would want to keep them part of the country by force. I realize there may be financial and/or political reasons that politicians and big business care about, but that's not what I mean. I'm talking about the average Joe. Why should he care?

Let's use your example of California. Do you drink orange juice? Eat almonds? Enjoy $0.99 heads of lettuce? Grapes? Strawberries? Tomatoes? Well, bye.

 

[HoughMade]

A lot of "average joes" see the economic, security, legal and political problems with secession.

I don't know enough about Catalonia to comment, but I have a fair idea of why we don't want states seceding.

 

[Liberty1916]

Let's use your example of California. Do you drink orange juice? Eat almonds? Enjoy $0.99 heads of lettuce? Grapes? Strawberries? Tomatoes? Well, bye.

Seriously? You're saying none of that gets traded across borders?

 

[Liberty1916]

A lot of "average joes" see the economic, security, legal and political problems with secession.

I don't know enough about Catalonia to comment, but I have a fair idea of why we don't want states seceding.

Serious question, do you really think anyone would notice if say Vermont or Montana seceded?

 

[historian]

Seriously? You're saying none of that gets traded across borders?

It does, but not having a border makes it much cheaper. You can still get it, but prices will go up. Same with anything that gets brought into the ports of LA, San Diego (it's German), San Francisco. Costs rise, demand changes, consumption changes. Everything changes.

Let's talk military. San Diego Naval Base. Edwards AFB. Where do those go. Edwards, you can probably do ok. But SD? That is pretty much a needed base.

There are lots of reasons that secession is a bad idea. Not just on our end either.

 

[Liberty1916]

It does, but not having a border makes it much cheaper. You can still get it, but prices will go up. Same with anything that gets brought into the ports of LA, San Diego (it's German), San Francisco. Costs rise, demand changes, consumption changes. Everything changes.

Let's talk military. San Diego Naval Base. Edwards AFB. Where do those go. Edwards, you can probably do ok. But SD? That is pretty much a needed base.

There are lots of reasons that secession is a bad idea. Not just on our end either.

We have NAFTA. Nothing from California would be more expensive.

Military bases? We have them all over the world in foreign countries. Why would this be any different?

The only drawback I see is that we'd probably have to build a few thousand extra miles of border wall to keep out the exodus from California's liberal policy failures.

 

[jamil]

Why are we talking about California succeeding? We all know that's not going to happen. It's not going to happen in Texas either.