Wisconsin Company to Microchip Employees

[Bennettjh]

Not only "No" but "HELL NO"

Yep

 

[Kutnupe14]

OR go right to the source. Steal the info needed to re-create. Not saying it's easy but it's doable. Bettin' some geek is already on it.

You talking about duplicating something that is an order of magnitude more difficult than what we currently have.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Pft. We've been imbedding chips in you guys via injections for decades.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The human body has several built in features that could provide instant access to a building or allow purchase of lunch at the company cafeteria. Why add on?

Publicity. It's a tech company that just made a press release about something they are giving employees the option of taking. If they use fingerprints, an ID card, or a cell phone app this thread wouldn't exist, national media wouldn't be giving them free advertising, etc.

 

[JettaKnight]

OR go right to the source. Steal the info needed to re-create. Not saying it's easy but it's doable. Bettin' some geek is already on it.

So yeah, it doesn't work that way, all this stuff: RFID, microchips, cryptography, that's in my wheelhouse.

So the really simple explanation is that the reader sends a really big number, the chip does some math with that number and it's secret key, then returns a different number. If the reader gets the number it expects, then it's valid. That may sound easy to defeat, but it's not.

Basically, this is the same newer (to America) credit cards with chips.



So, the only question is, do you want the chip in your pocket or your hand?

 

[HoughMade]

Pft. We've been imbedding chips in you guys via injections for decades.

[see, Kingsman clip above]

 

[Leadeye]

Pft. We've been imbedding chips in you guys via injections for decades.

I figure the ticks suck those back out around here over time.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

We already,have the mark of the beast. It's called fingerprints, facial recognition, retinal identification, dna, and other biometric data that we just comply with and hand over.

All those things you mentioned are part of how God created us. I fail to see how something God deliberately created is the mark of the beast.

I love the when people complain about this, all while carrying a globally connected tracking device with audio and video that, furthermore, they voluntarily input person details!

Mine has audio, no camera. And the only personal details that are on it are a couple of peoples ph #.

Huh?

The RFID isn't just something you can duplicate. The point is it's unique and not copy-able due to encryption. It's an identifier just like a driver's license, only it's not readable without a tool and is resistant to forging.

If someone pumps out a bunch of new RFID chips, the identifiers won't match anything on the roll, so no voting allowed.

Don't some scum use scanners to grab the info off of chipped cards? Why couldn't it be done with implanted chips? And they copy encrypted info, it remains encrypted when they do so.

All this Mark of the Beast talk.

I'm convinced that whatever the mark is, whoever takes it will know that they are rejecting God when they do so. It won't be stealthy and it won't be a "gotcha".

That is a possibility, although I believe that the beast is more than capable of using deception to further his agenda.

So yeah, it doesn't work that way, all this stuff: RFID, microchips, cryptography, that's in my wheelhouse.

So the really simple explanation is that the reader sends a really big number, the chip does some math with that number and it's secret key, then returns a different number. If the reader gets the number it expects, then it's valid. That may sound easy to defeat, but it's not.

Basically, this is the same newer (to America) credit cards with chips.



So, the only question is, do you want the chip in your pocket or your hand?

I thought they did use scanners to steal/copy the chip off the cards?

And for me, in my pocket. It's much easier to leave it at home.

 

[JettaKnight]

Don't some scum use scanners to grab the info off of chipped cards? Why couldn't it be done with implanted chips? And they copy encrypted info, it remains encrypted when they do so.

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I thought they did use scanners to steal/copy the chip off the cards?

On a credit card, there must be a direct electrical connection, on RFID the proximity is based on the device size and the antenna of the tool.

On (really) older non-cryptographic RFID, yes, you can read and duplicate the ID.

On a newer cryptographic RFID, there's not one number to read - on the weakest form there's one trillion numbers. I think modern ones are using 80 bit encryption, so that one septillion possible values - give or take an order of magnitude. Of course, I'm simplifying to make a point, real cryptography* don't work this way.

This is why you can't simply hand a car key to a locksmith and have them make a working copy if there's RFID in the key. (excluding the car's ability to learn to accept a new key).


I'm not saying it's perfect, because, well, computers get faster; however, it's far more secure that a plastic card with a photo and text.


* Actually, a "one time pad" does. It is a theoretically unbreakable form of cryptography that's been around for decades, if not centuries, in the form of actual pads of printed code words.

 

[hopper68]

Somethings to think about with companies putting a chip in the hands of employees. Do they remove it upon employee leaving the company? What about those people who jump job to job, how many old chips can one have in their hand? What if you have several jobs at once, will the chips interfere with each other?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

one septillion

Wow. That's roughly half the candles on CM's birthday cake.

 

[SSGSAD]

Imagine the benefits of doing to this to all children when born
I mean we do it to pets now, why not everyone.
The NSA would be most appreciative.

Chipping your pet, was a forerunner, to this .....

Practice, if you will .....

That is why NONE of my pets, has EVER been chipped .....

And my pet, has NEVER run away from me .....

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Chipping your pet, was a forerunner, to this .....

Practice, if you will .....

That is why NONE of my pets, has EVER been chipped .....

And my pet, has NEVER run away from me .....

I'm a big fan/proponent of chipping your pets. 4th of July weekend 2011, we were camping at Lake Monroe and had gone to watch the fireworks across the lake from where we camped. On the way back to camp, our cat (who had been calm and loved camping and riding in the boat) managed to jump overboard (cloudy, pitch dark night). It was a minute or so before we noticed. Despite searching as best we could that night and again the next morning (we were probably about 100 feet from shore when she jumped), we couldn't find her and had to return home, with both DoggyMama and I being very upset and saddened. 9 days later, we got a call from a vet in Ellettsville saying our cat had been found wandering in the woods by a little girl, whose parents took our cat to the vet and had her scanned. She was okay, and we were very happy. In fact, that's the first time I ever cried "tears of joy", when we got that phone call.

I don't know what she survived on while on her "adventure", but she obviously ate well. I swear it looked like she had gained a couple of pounds when we got her back. If she'd have been a male, I would have renamed her "Bear Grylls".

 

[Jimb]

We already,have the mark of the beast. It's called fingerprints, facial recognition, retinal identification, dna, and other biometric data that we just comply with and hand over.
Even casinos have facial recognition and it's spreading rapidly. Walking down city streets the govt in some.cities know who you are. Even the chips in your tires and your license plates are.tracked on the highways and roads.
The mark of the beast is just updated over time but we all are marked. Your papers and persons are no longer secure or Private. People just accept it.

Humans like to be marked....makes us feel important and special; this includes the trendy tattoo as well. The beast could be human nature itself.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Humans like to be marked....makes us feel important and special; this includes the trendy tattoo as well. The beast could be human nature itself.

Just like Sneetches...

[video=youtube;p2uIJqqOlQw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2uIJqqOlQw[/video]

 

[Jimb]

Huh?

The RFID isn't just something you can duplicate. The point is it's unique and not copy-able due to encryption. It's an identifier just like a driver's license, only it's not readable without a tool and is resistant to forging.

If someone pumps out a bunch of new RFID chips, the identifiers won't match anything on the roll, so no voting allowed.



As to the eschatology, why does everyone think the "mark of the beast" is a literal, physical marking visible on the exterior (or with a scan tool)? I posit that it's a mark on the heart.

that's right...the term "secure network" use to be believable too. I'll pass.

 

[JettaKnight]

Somethings to think about with companies putting a chip in the hands of employees. Do they remove it upon employee leaving the company? What about those people who jump job to job, how many old chips can one have in their hand? What if you have several jobs at once, will the chips interfere with each other?

Remove or stay, it's deactivated in the system - nothing more than an old credit card.

I would think a scanner could handle multiple chips presented at once, but ... you got two hands, then the feet...

 

[IndyTom]

I have to separate my two proximity cards to get in through doors. I don't think multiple implanted chips would fare much better.