You have 29 days starting today to prevent ban on Bump Stocks , Binary triggers

[Drail]

Do you actually believe anyone in our Govt. cares about what we think?

 

[actaeon277]

We've given ground over and over.
It never stops.
Give ground on this cause you don't use it, and next time it may be something you do care about.

Enough is enough.

 

[actaeon277]

Anyone have that pie analogy/cartoon?
I'm on my phone and it's too hard to do on here.

 

[actaeon277]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[mcapo]

1986 is just a Democratic majority away...

I am sure that many aren't old enough to remember 1986 as adults but, it happened fast and hit hard. The Second Amendment is in a less politically secure place than it was in 1985.

 

[bwframe]

Where is the NRA on this?

 

[ArevaloSocom]

Where is the NRA on this?

They kneejerked asking for this :

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wash...7/oct/24/nra-backs-regulations-on-bump-stock/


but later backtracked :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...itics/nra-opposes-bump-stock-bills/index.html

 

[GIJEW]

1986 is just a Democratic majority away...

I am sure that many aren't old enough to remember 1986 as adults but, it happened fast and hit hard. The Second Amendment is in a less politically secure place than it was in 1985.

1986 may be a democrat majority away but the 2A is way more secure politically than it was then.
*There's the Heller SCOTUS decision and even Illinois has CCW. The courts have ruled against Chicago and wash. D.C. when they've tried to work around the RKBA.
*CO ignored the objections of the public and LEOs and banned magazines holding over 10rnds, and the grassroots organized a recall vote and threw some of the culprits out of office.
*CT ordered owners of semi auto rifles to register them and estimates are that 100,000 refused. The state hasn't yet gone door to door to look for them.
*There are about 100 million gun owners now and about 15 million with CCW/LTCH. A potential voting bloc that size can be a firewall.

Anyway, "eternal vigilance is the price of freedom" and the BATF got a comment from me too

 

[femurphy77]

I do understand the congressional implications, but I think those things are the dumbest thing to waste your money on. All they do is heat a barrel and waste ammo. I have used one. Totally worthless. I saw a guy give his AR to a girl and he was teaching her to rhythm it so it would work. Once it did, she paniced and screamed and started spraying 5.56 rounds into the air. There were 7 others there. We all hit the deck. It was banned for use at that range before it happened. They were told to leave. This would be a good time for the NRA to step in and put their seal of surrender on bump stocks. It would silence all the liberals and make the NRA look good and get something out of it at least.

 

[bwframe]

Where is the NRA on this?

They kneejerked asking for this :

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wash...7/oct/24/nra-backs-regulations-on-bump-stock/


but later backtracked :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...itics/nra-opposes-bump-stock-bills/index.html

Told me what I need to know.

 

[Floivanus]

1986 is just a Democratic majority away...

I am sure that many aren't old enough to remember 1986 as adults but, it happened fast and hit hard. The Second Amendment is in a less politically secure place than it was in 1985.

And this entire issue with bumpfire and binary triggers and other 'goodies' (yes, I own both) is the result of 1986; from a governmental standpoint it would be better to know where, and who owns what, than to have to play catch-up like they are now. The firearms industry responded to a prohibition in a great way, but those same shops would be doing MG conversions for people who would submit to the NFA to make their favorite MP5, AK or kriss vector a select fire gun, while anyone else who didn't want to jump thru the NFA hoops would be using a bumpstick, belt loop, or other 'tricks' that are out there, I can bumpfire certain rifles from the shoulder.

The proper, effective action would be to repeal Hughes, do another ZERO questions asked amnesty, and watch "good gun owners" jump thru NFA hoops to own what they want. The government should open their eyes, we are still having WWII era guns show up from time to time, prohibition is fruitless, it only stops lawful citizens.

 

[Ericpwp]

How did that m855 ban workout? I don't know how anyone could crap on this thread in a gun forum.

 

[Papadaca]

As for bump stocks, we can just 3d print them......

 

[Dentoro]

I can't open the comment page, I think they have listened all they want to.

 

[Dentoro]

I finally did get through hours later.

 

[EAS]

The pro-gun community is the most resilient and have some of the best minds ever. The bump stock is proof of that. If the bump stock is banned or regulated someone will invent something new that is legal but why give concessions to satisfy anyone? Don't give in ever or we'll be concession-ed to death.

 

[lonehoosier]

Gun Owners of America: Stop Funding the ATF and They'll Leave Our Bump Stocks Alone - Breitbart

 

[Floivanus]

The pro-gun community is the most resilient and have some of the best minds ever. The bump stock is proof of that. If the bump stock is banned or regulated someone will invent something new that is legal but why give concessions to satisfy anyone? Don't give in ever or we'll be concession-ed to death.

The problem with that is all these legislative actions that are being proposed go after "rate increasing devices" purposefully vague and wide-reaching words.

if they want to do something about bumpstocks they should repeal the Hughes amendment and reopen the machine gun registry, then we wouldn't have had to come up with trigger cranks, binary triggers or bumpstocks in response. And what about all of us who can bumpfire from the shoulder?

 

[EAS]

The problem with that is all these legislative actions that are being proposed go after "rate increasing devices" purposefully vague and wide-reaching words.

if they want to do something about bumpstocks they should repeal the Hughes amendment and reopen the machine gun registry, then we wouldn't have had to come up with trigger cranks, binary triggers or bumpstocks in response. And what about all of us who can bumpfire from the shoulder?

I agree with repealing the Hughes amendment but the left will not let that happen and the right will not take stake their future political aspirations that it won’t blow up in their faces.

 

[Hop]

"Bump" to keep ATF from infringing upon our rights and trying to "create" law where they have no authority to do so. I have little faith ATF will listen as they pretty much blew off the public re: 41F.

Easy link: https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=ATF-2018-0001-0001

My entry 1k2-90tw-1man (feel free to modify for your own use):
The NFA machine gun definition is clear & is why the ATF has twice previously approved "bump stocks" for sale. Bump stocks are no different than using a stick, a shoe lace, a belt loop or even your bare hands to accomplish the same effect. Bump stocks, sticks, shoe laces, belt loops and fingers do not increase the nature firing rate of any semi-automatic firearm nor turn them into a machine gun. The natural firing rate is defined by the speed at which the bolt chambers a round, locks the breach and hammer falls against the firing pin. Bump firing is a technique not a device. ATF has NO authority to regulate a technique.