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    Quote Originally Posted by Ark View Post
    I guarantee this is what it is. People were hearing gunshots through multiple walls and floors. The media is making up this silencer nonsense to fearmonger and have an excuse to point out that in SOME states this couldn't have happened because silencers are illegal.

    Same ****, different day. They're not going to stop lying until all your rights are gone.
    MY rights will NEVER be gone. Others’ mileage may vary...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ark View Post
    I guarantee this is what it is. People were hearing gunshots through multiple walls and floors. The media is making up this silencer nonsense to fearmonger and have an excuse to point out that in SOME states this couldn't have happened because silencers are illegal.

    Same ****, different day. They're not going to stop lying until all your rights are gone.
    I mean most caliber suppressors arent quiet inside rooms so its still possible they heard shots and thumps if one was being used. But whenever i read stories with reporters or even police making initial coments about firearms i always yawn and just wait for the facts to come out later
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbhausen View Post
    MY rights will NEVER be gone. Others’ mileage may vary...
    Amen. Not till im dead and burried. Surrender is not a word in the freedom vocabulary, and im no ones little cuck.
    I and my children WILL NOT be the generation that gave away the freedoms my revolutionary war ancestors fought and bled to first secure creating this nation and that others including myself bled in other wars keeping. That will not be on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kutnupe14 View Post
    To a degree, I agree... but many of the this violent evil and dangerous people have histories that indicate such. I don't know about this current guy, but as JeepHammer said, the mechanics of "why," when it appears (from the outside) that the person was relatively "normal," with no apparent inclination to do such is interesting.
    And that's true, but it's a matter for the legal/justice/institutional system to deal with. From my perspective, as an average, nobody, private citizen, that's not something that I can, or have the means or responsibility to, solve. All I can do is ensure that I am as prepared as possible for eventualities that are outside my control. That's the position his former coworkers found themselves in - only thy were denied the ability to be prepared.

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    News media on TV right now stating he had two pistols, one fitted with a "silencer".

    As for the parallel conversation, I agree that something needs to be done about criminal protection zones.

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    Fox News not above fanning the flames. So far investigators say they've found four guns the murderer owned, two used in the killings, two at his home. Fox News calls this a "weapons cache."

    Virginia Beach police zero in on shooter's weapons cache and job background


    I'm sure we'll be seeing the term "arsenal" thrown around pretty soon.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipbennett View Post
    Fortunately, actual statistics disprove such "blood running in the streets" fear-mongering. It simply doesn't happen.
    Don't try to rewrite what I wrote.
    Per capita, there were a crap load of shootings in the old west...
    A quote I remember from an old west writer that Mark Twain used to quote, "If people on the frontier were better shots, there would have been a lot less of them."

    You also have to remember behind disease, gunshot wounds were the #2 cause of death on the migration west.
    You might be surprised to know that many gunshot wounds in wagon trains moving west were self inflicted or accidental.

    The first gun control laws were enacted by towns that got sick and tired of idiots settling arguments (often drunk) with firearms.


    Fortunately, again, the prerogative of the individual to exercise their God-given, natural, constitutionally protected rights doesn't depend on your level of fear or concern regarding how they will behave.
    Got that backwards...
    Your choice of religion ('god') and your rights to firearms are protected by the Constitution and the rule of law.
    Your choice of 'god' protects nothing, it's men skilled in violence, willing to ensure the rule of law under the Constitution that protects you and your ideas.
    As in military & police.
    As in... 'God' hasn't shown up once in court to protect your rights...

    Personally? No, I don't care too much about the why. For me, it is enough to know that both violently evil and dangerously deranged people exist, have always existed, and will always exist. That is reason enough to stand up for my and everyone else's right to bear arms in defense of self and others. Should I ever have to avail myself of that right, I'm not going to care about the reason someone has presented a mortal threat; my only concern is ending the threat.
    Of course you don't.
    I asked "Why?", I didn't ask your opinions or agenda, and you offered exactly zero in the way of answers, or posed/refined the questions.
    You used my post to vent your opinions & agenda simply because what I wrote didn't fit your narrative...
    You basically decided to rant about someone actually asking pertinent questions...

    Some of us want a deeper understanding, education doesn't scare or intimidate us, we actually ask the big questions and seek answers.
    The bumper sticker/meme sized slogans aren't answers, and the real answers won't fit on a bumper sticker or meme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbhausen View Post
    MY rights will NEVER be gone. Others’ mileage may vary...
    One never loses rights, by the nature of 'er "rights." However those rights can be infringed.
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  9. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeepHammer View Post
    Don't try to rewrite what I wrote.
    Per capita, there were a crap load of shootings in the old west...
    A quote I remember from an old west writer that Mark Twain used to quote, "If people on the frontier were better shots, there would have been a lot less of them."

    You also have to remember behind disease, gunshot wounds were the #2 cause of death on the migration west.
    You might be surprised to know that many gunshot wounds in wagon trains moving west were self inflicted or accidental.

    The first gun control laws were enacted by towns that got sick and tired of idiots settling arguments (often drunk) with firearms.




    Got that backwards...
    Your choice of religion ('god') and your rights to firearms are protected by the Constitution and the rule of law.
    Your choice of 'god' protects nothing, it's men skilled in violence, willing to ensure the rule of law under the Constitution that protects you and your ideas.
    As in military & police.
    As in... 'God' hasn't shown up once in court to protect your rights...



    Of course you don't.
    I asked "Why?", I didn't ask your opinions or agenda, and you offered exactly zero in the way of answers, or posed/refined the questions.
    You used my post to vent your opinions & agenda simply because what I wrote didn't fit your narrative...
    You basically decided to rant about someone actually asking pertinent questions...

    Some of us want a deeper understanding, education doesn't scare or intimidate us, we actually ask the big questions and seek answers.
    The bumper sticker/meme sized slogans aren't answers, and the real answers won't fit on a bumper sticker or meme.
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    Nevermind I'm just going to keep my mouth shut. All it would do is start or escalate an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderchicken View Post
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    Nevermind I'm just going to keep my mouth shut. All it would do is start or escalate an argument.
    Thank you.
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