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    A question to collectors

    In the last several years I have been collecting what I refer to as "Weapons of War". I have one each of the biggies, that is a Garand, Mauser, Luger, Enfield, etc. What is really beginning to bug me lately is the difficulty in my quest for a Colt model 1909/M1917 revolver. Sure, there are some out there but the examples I have been offered are either in really bad shape, painted, or just too darn expensive. I'm not looking for a trophy, just a clean battle worn example that I can shoot. Is that too much to ask?
    What gets my ire up is when a person has one for sale and in our discussion mentions to me that he has 8-10-12 of these fine old revolvers in his "collection". Why do you want so many? It seems to me that you are depriving others like me of the opportunity to own one of these fine relics. How many do you need?
    I know I'm probably whizzing into the wind about this. Please don't judge and I'd like to know how others feel. Does anybody agree with me? I'm just attempting to start an honest discussion on this and maybe, just maybe, appeal to those which have so many to assist those of us with honest desires.
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    I'd rather have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have one.

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    Many, if not most things worth collecting arenít easy to come by which further drives demand and value. If I am interested in collecting something Iím not likely to pass up a decent example or a good deal simply because I have one or several already. Iíve been frustrated in my search for a few things over the years but I donít find fault with the people who already have what I want, itís just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnk View Post
    In the last several years I have been collecting what I refer to as "Weapons of War". I have one each of the biggies, that is a Garand, Mauser, Luger, Enfield, etc. What is really beginning to bug me lately is the difficulty in my quest for a Colt model 1909/M1917 revolver. Sure, there are some out there but the examples I have been offered are either in really bad shape, painted, or just too darn expensive. I'm not looking for a trophy, just a clean battle worn example that I can shoot. Is that too much to ask?
    What gets my ire up is when a person has one for sale and in our discussion mentions to me that he has 8-10-12 of these fine old revolvers in his "collection". Why do you need so many? It seems to me that you are depriving others like me of the opportunity to own one of these fine relics. How many do you need?
    I know I'm probably whizzing into the wind about this. Please don't judge and I'd like to know how others feel. Does anybody agree with me? I'm just attempting to start an honest discussion on this and maybe, just maybe, appeal to those which have so many to assist those of us with honest desires.
    Are you looking for the Colt or S&W version?
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    So you would like to limit the number of the same model of guns that a person can collect? Like limiting the number of rounds you can have in a magazine .Part of collecting is the HUNT for what you want and spending or saving to buy it Take into the account that the same model of firearm may have many variations , units that were issued the fire arm ,or history connected to the weapon .
    Usually a beginning collector starts with a lesser grade and trades up to the top quality piece.It has taken me 6 years to find and buy certain pieces and i cherish them more
    " Everybody in the world is ignorant.....Just about different things."

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    No, i'm not advocating any limits.
    I'd rather have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnk View Post
    In the last several years I have been collecting what I refer to as "Weapons of War". I have one each of the biggies, that is a Garand, Mauser, Luger, Enfield, etc. What is really beginning to bug me lately is the difficulty in my quest for a Colt model 1909/M1917 revolver. Sure, there are some out there but the examples I have been offered are either in really bad shape, painted, or just too darn expensive. I'm not looking for a trophy, just a clean battle worn example that I can shoot. Is that too much to ask?
    What gets my ire up is when a person has one for sale and in our discussion mentions to me that he has 8-10-12 of these fine old revolvers in his "collection". Why do you need so many? It seems to me that you are depriving others like me of the opportunity to own one of these fine relics. How many do you need?
    I know I'm probably whizzing into the wind about this. Please don't judge and I'd like to know how others feel. Does anybody agree with me? I'm just attempting to start an honest discussion on this and maybe, just maybe, appeal to those which have so many to assist those of us with honest desires.
    Why do you (or anyone) need any?

    Since when did needs take part in collecting?



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    Yeah, you are not going to get a good reaction to the original post here, I don't think.

    I'm guessing you don't mean it that way, but at first read it hints at entitlement, socialism, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebSnyper View Post
    Yeah, you are not going to get a good reaction to the original post here, I don't think.

    I'm guessing you don't mean it that way, but at first read it hints at entitlement, socialism, etc.
    Fair reply, but not my intention.
    I'd rather have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
    Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnk View Post
    In the last several years I have been collecting what I refer to as "Weapons of War". I have one each of the biggies, that is a Garand, Mauser, Luger, Enfield, etc. What is really beginning to bug me lately is the difficulty in my quest for a Colt model 1909/M1917 revolver. Sure, there are some out there but the examples I have been offered are either in really bad shape, painted, or just too darn expensive. I'm not looking for a trophy, just a clean battle worn example that I can shoot. Is that too much to ask?
    What gets my ire up is when a person has one for sale and in our discussion mentions to me that he has 8-10-12 of these fine old revolvers in his "collection". Why do you need so many? It seems to me that you are depriving others like me of the opportunity to own one of these fine relics. How many do you need?
    I know I'm probably whizzing into the wind about this. Please don't judge and I'd like to know how others feel. Does anybody agree with me? I'm just attempting to start an honest discussion on this and maybe, just maybe, appeal to those which have so many to assist those of us with honest desires.
    I completely understand where you are coming from. I am like you and prefer to collect one of everything, don't own two of anything. I have also been frustrated at times by people who seem to want to own every example of something to the point that they become scarce.

    The thing you have to realize is that they are simply collecting from a different angle, not being hoarders. Every gun ever made naturally has a number of slight variations during the production run. Some people simply become enamored with those variations and like to obtain examples of all of them.

    I don't understand it, but I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I have even had people tell me that that is what collecting actually is, that the way I do it is simply accumulating. People can get on their high-horse about pretty much anything.

    The bottom line is just collect what you enjoy, accept the fact that some things are going to be harder to find and more expensive, and that a large part of the fun is in the hunt anyway.

    FWIW, I have been collecting military weapons for over 30 years with a particular interest in the First World War and have never managed to own either a Colt or S&W Model 1917 revolver. I see them all the time, I have just never been willing to part with the funds necessary to join that particular club.

    My holy grail is a Belgium Model 1889 rifle, try finding one of those at a reasonable price, they don't exist! I saw one last weekend at the Militaria Show-of-Shows and I'm pretty sure it was the first time I have ever even seen one on a table for sale. Unfortunately, I didn't have the money for it. That's the way it goes.

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