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    Future of hunting & shooting in Indiana is evolving in the wrong direction?

    Anyone concerned about Indiana DNR direction in the future? now?


    With gun, ammo and sporting equip. sales at all-time highs;


    federal funds from 11% Pittman-Robertson taxes should be (are) flooding the coffers?


    Then how come?


    IDNR is turning free F&W area shooting ranges in to PRIVATE operations? ala Deer Creek, Rodebush, Atterbury and others?


    Closing ranges Mondays & Tues. ala BMV Sun. & Mon.??


    Allowing Turkey hunting on PRIVATE grounds all day, but


    F&W areas only until 1 pm. like it was since 1980's?


    Allowing popular-caliber rifle Deer hunting on PRIVATE ground


    but limiting even Federal public lands to so-called pistol calibers?


    Charging license fees for stamps, such as state duck stamps &


    the infamous state game-bird stamps without even printing


    stamps anymore? Sure they made you deface them with signatures but at least they were keepers for scrap books.


    Charging for Spring & Fall Turkey licenses when a Spring hunter can't find time to hunt or is unsucessful


    should be able try again in the Fall? without paying another fee?


    Do we have any organizations in Indiana that are asking these questions of the IDNR?

    When I tried to learn more about the deer rifle seasons it was the NRA that was helping and that's great.


    But where are concerned Indiana hunters to turn? Anyone know of a group to address such issues? Anyone care?


    Future of hunting & shooting in Indiana is evolving in the wrong direction? IMHO which makes me sad & mad
    No middle game, No end game; just Open the game well. French e4e6

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    You hunt the king's deer at the king's sufferance, that's the way it is.

    As voters we don't have much say in this area as it's rarely something that's on leadership's radar, so the bureaucracy makes the decisions.

    A powerful lobby group might be influential, but that's going to take organization and lots of cash.

    PS

    I ask that question every year turkey season starts really late, why?

    The only relevant answer I would expect from the bureaucracy is, because we say so.
    Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering Kaboom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadeye View Post
    You hunt the king's deer at the king's sufferance, that's the way it is.

    As voters we don't have much say in this area as it's rarely something that's on leadership's radar, so the bureaucracy makes the decisions.

    A powerful lobby group might be influential, but that's going to take organization and lots of cash.

    PS

    I ask that question every year turkey season starts really late, why?

    The only relevant answer I would expect from the bureaucracy is, because we say so.
    Turkey season start: at least has a biological reason. Hens nesting are less likely to get shot. and toms are more vulnerable since hens have ducked away.

    Closing F&W area ranges on Mon. & Tues. is to save a buck on wages while flooded with federal funds they brag about how they are increasing public lands in Hunting book while limiting deer rifles to pistol calibers on said new lands they boast of?


    And when the king is getting FAT on Pittman-Robertson funds, they spend it on Deer Creek privatetized and the king gov. Holcomb & wife show up at grand opening for publicity stunt?

    Because "we said so" is not good enough for me. and I'm sure others are with me. I don't think it would take tons of money to start fixing the future not so much for me, I'm past it.

    But future hoosiers deserve better than we are getting now.
    No middle game, No end game; just Open the game well. French e4e6

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    By the way, I think we had some kind of Revolution to change that king thing?

    Yes, I know most of our hunting & property laws trace back to English law and the king, peasants and such....

    I just think hunters & shooters deserve better.
    No middle game, No end game; just Open the game well. French e4e6

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    Quote Originally Posted by openwell View Post
    Turkey season start: at least has a biological reason. Hens nesting are less likely to get shot.
    Which is comparable to being as stupid as someone who can't tell the difference between a hen and a tom.

    I'd prefer to see the fall season done away with and the spring bag limit increased to two toms/person.
    There's lots of ________ on here who don't fit your particular stereotype, smearing us with goofball sophistry is what is out of line. It just makes gunowners look like *******s.

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    While it sucks they are closed Mondays it is better that they have a day scheduled for maintenance instead of randomly closings.

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    We are blessed with a dnr that is against sportsmen. I think they do what they can to Pimp us over and take opportunity away.

    The dnr commission doing away with bobcat season proposal before other came to vote did it for me. them allowing a bunch of liberals opinions dictate the management of a predator population that is booming shows to me they are incompetent and don't take our public comment seriously.

    Other states that have a dnr that is sportsmen driven are amazing. The difference night and day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by openwell View Post
    By the way, I think we had some kind of Revolution to change that king thing?

    Yes, I know most of our hunting & property laws trace back to English law and the king, peasants and such....

    I just think hunters & shooters deserve better.
    Can't disagree with your opinion, but it's going to require either making this an issue that political leadership will pay attention to in an election or some serious lobby work at the state house. Big cash would get the attention of a law/lobby firm in simon tower who could get the job done.
    Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering Kaboom.

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    Many may not be aware that deer hunting in Indiana was banned at one time.
    Early 1900's saw the whitetail deer population all but completely decimated.

    Hunting was not allowed for a few decades, until the 1950's.

    Deer herds in Indiana are at historic highs today compared to the last century.
    It was NOT the general population that brought back the deer.
    It was the DNR, and wildlife managers that were responsible for there even being a deer season today.

    I first started hunting Indiana whitetails in the early 1980's.
    At that time, the deer season was about two weekends long.
    You were restricted to one buck per season, no does.
    You were also required to use ONLY a shotgun loaded with 12 or 20ga, NOTHING else was legal.

    I have to laugh when I read these posts about how the Indiana DNR is "against sportsmen".
    I have never had more opportunities to hunt, nor have I ever had the ability (legally) to harvest more deer in a single season.

    Seems to me that some hunters today feel like they should be allowed to hunt whatever they want, whenever they want, with whatever weapon they choose, and many don't want to be told they can't hunt on property that doesn't belong to them without first securing permission. Pardon me, but I'm not impressed by the "sportsmen" who feel they should be making the rules.
    NRA Instructor/Dormant U.S.Marine/ NRA Benefactor-Life

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    How many hen turkeys does one see after noon?
    How many turkeys on the nest?

    I still hunt only until noon for turkey.

    Because it's cold in the morning and pretty darn warm by noon.
    Most birds turn into ridge runners then...........bushwhacking works, but I'd rather call one in.

    Plus I dislike the idea of folks stomping around in the late eve spooking birds when trying to "roost" them.

    Hunt til noon, let the birds do their thing uninterrupted after that. Try again next morning.

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