If you're in a place being robbed?

[bwframe]

I am sick and tired of the "roll over and play dead" mentality! If people would grow some balls and show some backbone again crime would drop quickly! All this be a good witness, don't do anything that might make it worse answers all say the same thing. That is as follows, "I am to afraid, poorly trained and lacking the practice to do anything without making a bad situation worse!",typical sheeple response!
This PC crap and the criminal rights pukes have turned this country into a nation of chicken sh*t cowards! I am here to say I do not roll over nor do I play dead!
Yeah I know this is harsh and cuts deep it is supposed to make everyone think! This nation was not made to be great by the police or the government and it will never be cleaned up the them either. Only when the people say enough and do something about it will it get better. Criminals need to fear us not we fear the criminals. We don't have be vigilantes just stop being willing scared little girl victims!

Just to get this strait, anyone who chooses not to assassinate the robber(s) with head shots are;
lacking in balls,
sheeple,
scared little girl victims?

 

[randyb]

It depends. If I'm with my wife and daughter and we're out of the line of fire, I'm going to seek cover with them and prepare to defend ourselves if the shooting starts.

If I'm alone in the back of the store, I'm going to take cover, but look for opportunities to help diffuse the situation peacefully. I'll be honest, the cash in the register is not something I'm willing to die for, and there would only be a few conditions I'd be willing to risk my life for the clerk.


Now, if I'm in line near the clerk or much closer to the gunman, I'm going to draw and eliminate the threat. The exception to this is if he has already pointed his weapon at me or my family. I won't be able to out draw him, so my best bet is for him to get distracted by other customers or move his attention to the teller. At that point I draw and nuetralize the threat.


So, overall, I'm going to try to not get into a firefight. That's my best chance of surviving. If the situation presents itself that I need to engage, I will.

My rule is this. What lets me go home to my kids. Odds are I am with my kids and my GF kids. Cash vs. one of my kids getting hurt, no way. Take the money and I will give a good description of you to the cops. Now as far as my plan, get the kids under cover and off the kill zone. Find a back exit preferred, if not hunker down and protect my loved ones. Now if it looks like he is going to shoot/has shot the clerk then the gunfight is started and protecting the new kids becomes more active than a duck and cover.

 

[grizman]

Just to get this strait, anyone who chooses not to assassinate the robber(s) with head shots are;
lacking in balls,
sheeple,
scared little girl victims?

The whole post was to get people thinking, should have did it in purple.

Doing nothing can be just as dangerous. In a situation like that you can not effectively defend your family alone from a purely defensive posture. If you get noticed and the BG's decide to move on you because you are watching them. You are now placing you and your loved ones in the forefront of the BG's vision. You can not protect the loved ones without keeping visual contact with the BG's. The BG's don't want you looking at them, don't want you to give a good description of them afterwords. If you assume you are ok as long as you don't act you will be left alone is a 50/50 shot at best unless the BG's are punk amateurs. Their body language and tactics will tell of their resolve and if they have done this before. Pro's will have better tactics, one will watch from and the cashier while the other watches you and the back. Amateurs will be less attentive but more aggitated and jumpy. If you can't read body language then get face down on the floor and pray!

It all depends on ones level of preparedness and skill. Personally I would get my family down low behind as much cover as possible then end the threat. Shoot them in the back of the head no as they turn my way after being instructed to drop the weapons and hit the floor, yeah failure drill each one as they turn while I am moving. Do I think I could do that? Yeah I could. Because I practice for that sort of thing. I do not just stand at a spot and fire at a stationary target for practice. I built my own practice range with pop ups movers and twisters. When I practice the girls or the buddies control the targets so it's always different. I would have no problem taking on two targets solo. Maybe three depending on the distances and layout. Would have to make that call at the time. I have had many CQB classes and a lot of chances to use those skills in the service. That makes it a different situation for me. You all have to decide what you can handle. Just don't assume that doing nothing is the safest move. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense!

If you call 911 when they answer say armed robbery in progress at such and such on blank street then stick the phone on a shelf still on so they can hear do not hold in your hand any longer than you have to. BG's get pissed if they see someone holding a cell phone! Always options and opertunities if your mentally prepared.

 

[.40caltrucker]

Here comes my brutally honest opinion!! Fasten your seat belts it could get bumpy!

I am sick and tired of the "roll over and play dead" mentality! If people would grow some balls and show some backbone again crime would drop quickly! All this be a good witness, don't do anything that might make it worse answers all say the same thing. That is as follows, "I am to afraid, poorly trained and lacking the practice to do anything without making a bad situation worse!",typical sheeple response!
This PC crap and the criminal rights pukes have turned this country into a nation of chicken sh*t cowards! I am here to say I do not roll over nor do I play dead!
Yeah I know this is harsh and cuts deep it is supposed to make everyone think! This nation was not made to be great by the police or the government and it will never be cleaned up the them either. Only when the people say enough and do something about it will it get better. Criminals need to fear us not we fear the criminals. We don't have be vigilantes just stop being willing scared little girl victims!

Well we've got ourselves a good ol fashioned hero here.

I said I'd be a good witness if possible because like so many have already said we never know how many others are involved. The majority like 98% of robberies nobody gets hurt and there are no shots fired so why would I try to start a firefight with an unknown number of possible shooters shooting back? If I can avoid firing a shot in public I will if possible.

On the other hand if someone tried to rob me in my home or my private property they are as good as dead the second I have an opening to draw and shoot.

 

[JDonhardt]

Personally, I dont care at all if some place gets robbed so long as it isnt MY HOME. For all the Batman's and Robin's and wanna be cops out there who want to stop some gas station from being robbed, have at it.

I am absolutely not going to risk the consequences of a gun fight for a strangers money - or even a strangers life - when my family is at home waiting for their daddy.

 

[ronniejones1122]

After a run in I had a few months ago my reaction has completely changed. I was in a local gas station I had just gotten off work so I had my XD on my hip OC'd. When I entered the gas station the clerk was in the back stocking or something so I made my way to the drink station. Eventually he makes his way up to the front and decided to hit the panic button. His reasoning was that he say a gun. The gun he saw was in a holster with the retention hood over it. After this incident unless I feel that my life or family life is in danger I'm being a good witness

 

[bwframe]

It all depends on ones level of preparedness and skill. Personally I would get my family down low behind as much cover as possible then end the threat. Shoot them in the back of the head no as they turn my way after being instructed to drop the weapons and hit the floor, yeah failure drill each one as they turn while I am moving. Do I think I could do that? Yeah I could. Because I practice for that sort of thing. I do not just stand at a spot and fire at a stationary target for practice. I built my own practice range with pop ups movers and twisters. When I practice the girls or the buddies control the targets so it's always different. I would have no problem taking on two targets solo. Maybe three depending on the distances and layout. Would have to make that call at the time. I have had many CQB classes and a lot of chances to use those skills in the service. That makes it a different situation for me. You all have to decide what you can handle. Just don't assume that doing nothing is the safest move. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense!

Right. So where does that leave me if my first indication of any problem is you drawing your weapon and shooting someone in the head? Say, for example I'm behind you, oblivious to the robbery, or just walked in the door.

If I see you draw and "assassinate" someone with a head shot, in my mind, YOU are the threat. I don't have to analyze, ponder or think at all. Shots fired, people hit. In my mind, I just have to stop YOU, to save me, mine and everyone there.

 

[RichardR]

Right. So where does that leave me if my first indication of any problem is you drawing your weapon and shooting someone in the head? Say, for example I'm behind you, oblivious to the robbery, or just walked in the door.

If I see you draw and "assassinate" someone with a head shot, in my mind, YOU are the threat. I don't have to analyze, ponder or think at all. Shots fired, people hit. In my mind, I just have to stop YOU, to save me, mine and everyone there.

No offense man but that sounds like an argument an anti would make.

Besides everyone already knows to start flashing their CCW badge around & saying in a loud clear voice "everyone please remain calm, I am a licensed handgun carrier" immediately after dropping the bad guy(s).

 

[Caleb]

You guys need to youtube some krav maga self defense against gun video...you could quite easily reverse the situation.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

 

[grizman]

Right. So where does that leave me if my first indication of any problem is you drawing your weapon and shooting someone in the head? Say, for example I'm behind you, oblivious to the robbery, or just walked in the door.

If I see you draw and "assassinate" someone with a head shot, in my mind, YOU are the threat. I don't have to analyze, ponder or think at all. Shots fired, people hit. In my mind, I just have to stop YOU, to save me, mine and everyone there.

With zero situational awareness apparently. You ignored the part where I would have been instructing the bad guys to drop the weapons and get on the floor before using force. I never advocated simply shooting them in the back of the head! Go back and read the post all of it this time. Seeing how you decided to make this a personal attack.

There is really funny part of you response though, the part where you are going to draw your weapon and stop me! See you would have to shoot me in the back of the head, no way you are going to draw, aim and fire at me when I am weapon hot and ready any other way! LMAO on that one!!
Amazing you can't even read the details in that post, how do you think you could properly handle a possible life or death situation. You can't. You quite obviously have no clue how to spot a good guy from a bad guy, how to read a situation or how to react accordingly. You sir need get some good training in situational awareness and interpretation before you F'up in a bad situation.

 

[nawainwright]

Is this a trick question, with a "gotcha" outcome? Is one of them an undercover cop working his way up through the criminal organization? Are they both cops running some kind of bizarre training scenario? Did I fail to see the other 3 guys with their AK-47s flanking me? Did I miss the guy across the street holding the clerk's 5-year-old son hostage, and now you'll say I'm responsible for the kid's death? Are they wearing bomb vests under their coats with dead-man switches?

If I shoot them both in the back, how are you going to say "gotcha?"

This is a bit of an extreme.... "Hey, lets think of every bad movie we've ever seen and postulate its happening in real life." Just yankin on your chain, no hostility, but come on.

 

[blake2981]

good answer.

There is a lot of what if's in this type of scenario.

 

[bwframe]

You sir need get some good training in situational awareness and interpretation before you F'up in a bad situation.

That is hilarious.

I'm a little busy right now, I'll address the rest of your accusations later.

Let me be clear though, if you interpret my questioning of your stated motives as a personal attack, you have my sincere apology. Nothing personal what so ever is intended.

 

[bwframe]

No offense man but that sounds like an argument an anti would make.

Explain please.

 

[grizman]

I been grouchy couped up in the house with this friggen' pnuemonia since the 20th! Missed out on all the christmas parties, yote hunting with my daughter on her first kills. I didn't even get to walk out an look at them just got the crappy c phone pic! Not sleeping well either so I been typin' out my frustrations! Last day of cootie jail today!! Sorry guy's!

 

[theweakerbrother]

I want to see Burl force choke someone besides myself.

 

[Andy219]

I'm not sure what I would do, I suppose every situation would be a little different. I believe I would do anything I can to stop the threat to the clerk. Let me point out, I could care less about the money. Although the chance is low, but some bad guys aren't happy with the small amount if cash they receive and can quickly become violent. So even if I am not in direct danger at the moment, the clerk is. They have a weapon pointed at them and the BG is most likely nit keeping his/her finger off the trigger.

Why I would choose to stop the threat is because of my past experience. I was a clerk at a gas station when I was 18. While working the night shift one night, I was robbed at gun point. Although the whole scenario lasted 3 minutes, it felt like a 8 hours. My safety and my life was in the hands of some deranged criminal. I gave him everything, but he didnt think I did. He got extremely agitated all the while pointing a gun at me. Finger on the trigger and waving his gun at every part of my body.

The whole time this happend, there were 2 vehicles pumping gas, I remember just hoping somebody had a gun or something. It wouldn't have mattered though, they never stepped foot inside.

After being left helpless with my life in the hands of a criminal I vowed to myself I would never be in that situation again without a way for me to defend myself. So being in that situation once as the clerk being robbed, if I had the means or opportunity to stop the threat to a clerk, somebody working to get by, I'm gonna do it. Like I said I could care less about the money, but I couldn't in good conscience let a fellow human being go through what I did.

 

[troycowan]

as many others have said it depends on the situation. being that i am a soldier and its only right to defend others who can't defend themselves i would approach the target and demand he drop the weapon. the last thing you wanna do is get shot over pitty cash in a register, that is probably insured. at the same time you dont wanna sit back and let the target kill an innocent person so in the situation that i was armed and felt i could handle the situation on my own i would take a clear shot, but by doing so you have to be able to account for every round fired from your weapon. so clean shots and target placement would be the biggest things id consentrate on. If putting yourself in the situation only makes it worse its not worth it. most people who are dumb enough to rob a gas station arent gonna know what to do if you pop up and draw on them and demand they drop their weapon. making sure I am behind cover in case of a firefight of course. just my imput i could be wrong.

 

[BigJ3780]

Try to make the best decision with the situation at hand. Whenever there is a gun present things usually dont end pretty.

 

[PeterJLH09]

I'm gonna have to amend my previous statement. I agree with troycowan in that most convenience store/gas station won't know how to respond to a demand to put down the weapon. Today, most people are unwilling to stand against a threat or a law breaker. I'm not saying we should throw ourselves in barns way, or become vigilantes, but when the situation arises, we shouldn't be willing to simply stand down. The reason crime is high is because we as a society have given the message to all criminals that we tolerate crime. It's not the police fault. For every officer there is probably 20 criminals. They can't keep up. They are doing a great job endeavoring to keep the peace by themselves. Imagine, if you will, a scene. Two "robbers" run into a bank holding guns, and tell everyone to get in the ground. Instead of complying each citizen including all the tellers pull and train their guns on the two would be robbers. Those robbers could pull the trigger and maybe get off a shot or two before they fell to the ground lifeless, and literally ful of lead. That thought would discourage anyone from crime. Now I'm not saying we need to trigger happy, or Ty to take the law into our hands, but there is something to be said for an armed society. Look at Switzerland. Each home has a fully auto weapon. Each male is required to be in the military for two years. There's almost no crime. The second amendment wasn't put down just to fill space.