Frank_N_Stein
Grandmaster
"Yes Officer, I am armed, shall I loosen my belt for you, or would you prefer to buy me a drink first?"
I don't work for TSA, but can I touch your junk?
"Yes Officer, I am armed, shall I loosen my belt for you, or would you prefer to buy me a drink first?"
I also don't disarm LTCH holders when I stop them for traffic violations (unless circumstances deem that I need to, i.e. arrest). I don't know most of the people I stop and they don't know me, so I try to keep our "relationship" on even ground.
I would like to think that this is a big enough issue that, collectively, the gun owners and police could come up with a win-win SOP and lay this issue to rest.
. . . another says I don't know you from Adam, step out and I'll be removing this from your person. . . , and he says hand it over butt first. . . .
I don't work for TSA, but can I touch your junk?
Will you hold me afterwards?
I forgot I actually have something useful (or at least relevant) to say...
A couple weeks ago I was pulled over by a state trooper. I gave him my LTCH with my driver's license, he asked me what what and where it was, then told me he preferred to take it back to his car with him. He was cordial, and said he'd have me step out and disarm me from behind.
At this point I felt it prudent to inform him that I also had one in a shoulder holster under a sweatshirt. He then said leave them where they lay and please keep my hands in sight (i.e., steering wheel)
Really, props to the officer. Didn't bat an eye at either gun, and was at least going to use a "safer" disarm than the OP's did, and had the good sense to realize leaving them holstered was the better option.....and me keeping hands in plain sight is a fair compromise, in my mind.
I like to think he had the epiphany that if I (or we the bearers of LTCH) wanted to cause harm, we wouldn't be telling them in the first place, and that it was a courtesy in telling him that he didn't need to take advantage off.He was ready to take one gun but when another gun was brought to his attention he didn't want either? Was he too lazy to unload 2 guns or did he have an epiphany and think no way this guy is a danger with 2?
I like to think he had the epiphany that if I (or we the bearers of LTCH) wanted to cause harm, we wouldn't be telling them in the first place, and that it was a courtesy in telling him that he didn't need to take advantage off.
Besides, this may have been a case of starting to follow academy training, then utilizing common sense instead. I stand by my props to him.
Odd to say the least. I got hassled one night after being pulled over. The officer saw my NRA decal in my truck window. First thing he said was give me your gun. I wasn't carrying. My truck get checked up and down. Then he and 4 buddies left on another call. Still have no idea why I was pulled over!
Safer than climbing into the driver's lap to retrieve the gun to begin with? If he's such a danger that this backseat nonsense is even necessary, why give the gun back and let him go?