Frank_N_Stein
Grandmaster
I don't work for TSA, but can I touch your junk?
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This was a little weird...
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I don't work for TSA, but can I touch your junk?
ccolip2189
Marksman
i swear sometimes i think they just want to pull people over just to look at their guns
What is bizarre to me is how much this topic (at least from my experience) wildly varies from officer to officer. Through my job I have become friends with a few North District day shifters, and, even amongst them, there are different methods. One guy says leave it holstered; another says I don't know you from Adam, step out and I'll be removing this from your person. I even had my wife talk to a gal she works with who is getting married to a State Trooper, and he says hand it over butt first. It hurts my brain to think that, after being through one academy or another, two out of three officers choose to fondle guns of citizens who have obviously gone to (to some more than others) great expense in making sure they are doing things the "right way". On the other hand, a family member of Officer David Moore is a good friend of mine, so I have the ability to see it both ways. The only difference between myself and Thomas Hardy is that I'm not a dirtbag career-criminal driving a stolen car.
I would like to think that this is a big enough issue that, collectively, the gun owners and police could come up with a win-win SOP and lay this issue to rest.
Interesting. From the case law/decisions we've seen referenced in this thread the courts seem to have said that:
LTCH holder + firearm, in the absence of other factors, does NOT = legitimate articulable concern for officer safety.
And yet, many officers seem to be persisting in treating it that way.
Will you hold me afterwards?
You do know that Frank wears this under his uniform, right?
IndianaResident
Expert
- Sep 3, 2010
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I forgot I actually have something useful (or at least relevant) to say...
A couple weeks ago I was pulled over by a state trooper. I gave him my LTCH with my driver's license, he asked me what what and where it was, then told me he preferred to take it back to his car with him. He was cordial, and said he'd have me step out and disarm me from behind.
At this point I felt it prudent to inform him that I also had one in a shoulder holster under a sweatshirt. He then said leave them where they lay and please keep my hands in sight (i.e., steering wheel)
Really, props to the officer. Didn't bat an eye at either gun, and was at least going to use a "safer" disarm than the OP's did, and had the good sense to realize leaving them holstered was the better option.....and me keeping hands in plain sight is a fair compromise, in my mind.
A couple weeks ago I was pulled over by a state trooper. I gave him my LTCH with my driver's license, he asked me what what and where it was, then told me he preferred to take it back to his car with him. He was cordial, and said he'd have me step out and disarm me from behind.
At this point I felt it prudent to inform him that I also had one in a shoulder holster under a sweatshirt. He then said leave them where they lay and please keep my hands in sight (i.e., steering wheel)
Really, props to the officer. Didn't bat an eye at either gun, and was at least going to use a "safer" disarm than the OP's did, and had the good sense to realize leaving them holstered was the better option.....and me keeping hands in plain sight is a fair compromise, in my mind.
He was ready to take one gun but when another gun was brought to his attention he didn't want either? Was he too lazy to unload 2 guns or did he have an epiphany and think no way this guy is a danger with 2?
IndianaResident
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I like to think he had the epiphany that if I (or we the bearers of LTCH) wanted to cause harm, we wouldn't be telling them in the first place, and that it was a courtesy in telling him that he didn't need to take advantage off.
Besides, this may have been a case of starting to follow academy training, then utilizing common sense instead. I stand by my props to him.
Odd to say the least. I got hassled one night after being pulled over. The officer saw my NRA decal in my truck window. First thing he said was give me your gun. I wasn't carrying. My truck get checked up and down. Then he and 4 buddies left on another call. Still have no idea why I was pulled over!
Hammerhead
Master
I can see it now.
Officer reaches across driver to get gun.
Gun goes off, hitting the driver in the leg.
Driver "interacts" with officer that is leaning across him
Officer freaks and draws on the driver, maybe even plugs him.
either way...bad for the driver
Officer reaches across driver to get gun.
Gun goes off, hitting the driver in the leg.
Driver "interacts" with officer that is leaning across him
Officer freaks and draws on the driver, maybe even plugs him.
either way...bad for the driver
Charles Church
Plinker
Wow... The only experiance ive had along these lines was when i was pulled over here in huntington for "running" a red light. At the time i was wearing a shoulder holster(im right handed, so gun was under my left pit). The officer came up to the side of the car and my friend and i both had our hands up and out in front of us(he was carrying his beretta 92fs). the officer asked where my firearm was, and i told him i had a M1911A1 in a shoulder rig under my left armpit, and he told me to leave my hands where they were and reached in the car under my hoodie and undid the button snap on the holster(pos utg od green canvas, dont have it anymore) and removed my handgun. THEN he asked for my DL and LTCH, and went back and ran everything. came back told me he pulled me over for running a red light, gave me a warning, and handed me my empty 1911, mag and my +1 and told me that everything checked out and i was free to go. Every other time ive been pulled over, its always been the normal DL and registration and my LTCh, NEVER any interaction with my firearms.
