Ok I honestly don't know the difference, and there is no sarcasm in my response to this. What is the difference? I don't mind learning new things.
Overt is when People know theyre there and know, or atleast suspect that something is going on (like the "contractor" that got bailed out by CIA officials in Pakistan after he shot and killed two combatants. The contractor, named "Raymond Davis", was beaten and imprisoned by Pakistanis and admitted to being part of a CIA contract team there. Ultimately the CIA bailed him out and admitted that they did have former SF soldiers providing embassy and diplomatic security.)
Covert means that outside of a select few, a mission is entirely classified. A good example is the cliched "heart attack" prior to some ground breaking or silence shattering speech.
I would say, that overt action is more like our military action in Iraq, and Afghanistan. And your example of overt is actually (i feel) covert, since it was never ment to be overt.
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Darth Cheney: Would crap on the Bill of Rights again in a heartbeat
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Let us be charitable and say he is speaking for his father; perhaps got part of his attitude from his father's situation (although I STILL say his dad got the better of the deal because he ended up in Army Aviation). Being free and over 21 he is entitled to say and believe any stupidity he wants, whether his opinion has any factual basis or not. As far as his father's (theoretical) opinion, since a goodly portion of male 18 year olds from 1968 to 1974 either went to college or joined the Army Reserve forces specifically to avoid going to Vietnam, and many of those folks ended up in government one way or another, there are a whole lot of cowards out there. Cheney may uncharitably be considered a 'coward' for not entering the Service in 1965 (or whenever) but he did his time in hell at the top levels of our government and didn't whine about all the nasty names he's been called over the years. That's not cowardly in MY book.
Apparently your knowledge of Dick Cheney is lacking...
We've been having this disagreement, and you don't even know the basics about they guy were talking about?
I really doubt my knowledge of Cheney is lacking...
I know the family pretty well actually...
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I really doubt my knowledge of Cheney is lacking...
I know the family pretty well actually...
So he secretly served in the armed forces and only you as his personal BFF are aware of it?
Can you pass Litmus Test?
Much of this thread centers around whether Dick Cheney is qualified or not based on his lack of military service. The majority of eligible males in every generation do not serve in the military for various reasons. So is that majority of the male population ineligible for ______ (fill in the blank)? Can you pass an arbitrary Monday Morning Quarterback Litmus Test applied 40 years after the fact?
The self loathing "its all our fault" crap in this thread makes me puke. Muslims, Communists, Socialists, Tyrants, etc. don't like US simply because we exist - and pose a threat to their power. Muslims have been killing non-believers for CENTURIES. The West is blamed for all the World ills because it is convenient. That is what dishonest scum bags do.
Everybody is entitled to an opinion and the freedom to speak. You are not entitled to create your own set of facts. Get information from somewhere other than 30 second media sound bites. Crack open a book or two. Give me a break - Military Industrial Complex is a worn out 60's Hippie wet dream.
Watch out for the Black Helicopters, now that is the real deal.
Much of this thread centers around whether Dick Cheney is qualified or not based on his lack of military service. The majority of eligible males in every generation do not serve in the military for various reasons. So is that majority of the male population ineligible for ______ (fill in the blank)? Can you pass an arbitrary Monday Morning Quarterback Litmus Test applied 40 years after the fact?
The self loathing "its all our fault" crap in this thread makes me puke. Muslims, Communists, Socialists, Tyrants, etc. don't like US simply because we exist - and pose a threat to their power. Muslims have been killing non-believers for CENTURIES. The West is blamed for all the World ills because it is convenient. That is what dishonest scum bags do.
Everybody is entitled to an opinion and the freedom to speak. You are not entitled to create your own set of facts. Get information from somewhere other than 30 second media sound bites. Crack open a book or two. Give me a break - Military Industrial Complex is a worn out 60's Hippie wet dream.
Watch out for the Black Helicopters, now that is the real deal.
He served as the Sec. of Defense
Actually President Eisenhower coined the term "military industrial complex", so that places the phrase in the 50's, most likely. But I agree with the rest.
It's not about self-loathing "it's all our fault" crap.
Some of those groups of people don't like the U.S. because we exist, but certainly not all. Yes, Muslims have been killing non-believers for centuries, but we've been killing them too. Who actually started it? Who really knows? This whole idea that the people who disagree with American foreign policy only listen to propaganda is absurd. Both sides spread propaganda in favor of their side. The winners always write the history, and their cause was always just. And the losers always end up butthurt. And qualifying the Military Industrail Complex as a 60's Hippie wet dream is pretty funny. When have we not been involved in a conflict since the 60's? Has the military shrunk a reasonable amount since the draft?It's not about self-loathing "it's all our fault" crap.
Sorry Stud, but its the libs that write the history books regardless of any legitimate standing; or have you not been paying attention?
Now that i think about it ... I think this hatred started when the Hebrews murdered every man woman and child in more or less every village they came across on their way to the "Holy land." Most of the now Muslim nations hated the Hebrews before they were Muslims. When the Muslim religion came around, and the Christian religion also, it just helped define the lines. The Christians were with the Jews, and the Muslims werent.
Its funny how the little things will set a group off against another, Christians and Muslims believe in the same god, even Mohammed said so, yet fight because.....?Then i blame the republicans for failing to do so, im sure we've had as many if not more republican presidents, yet for some reason people want to blame the libs for Welfare, writing history boooks (really man?) etc etc. If they are such bad ideas, WHY DONT REPUBLICANS REPEAL THOSE THINGS? Is it because they're scared? "I hate all those things the democratic president before me signed into law, but im not going to take em away."
Uhhh...
You do realize that he was the 17th SecDef (Secretary of Defense). Serving the Country from March 20, 1989 – January 20, 1993. Prior to that he was the House Majority Whip January 3, 1989 – March 20, 1989, being succeeded by Newt Gingrich. Prior to that he was A Member of the House from Wyoming. With a start in Professional Politics as President Fords Chief of Staff...
I would say he has served both his State and Country quite well...
As far as the BFF comment. It is amazing at the People one can meet if they are not afraid to climb off of their couch...
or their computer
You guys are rough. Do you want his mom to get upset about him jumping around down in the basement?
It's not about self-loathing "it's all our fault" crap.
If you read the Muslim's generally accepted history of Mohammed, you will know who started the killing between the Christians and Muslims.
And as a matter of fact, since 1990 the Army has shrunk from 780k troops and 18 Divisions to a 2010 proposed 562,000 and less than 10 Divisions; the Navy has shrunk from 604k and 600 ships to 330k and about 300 ships; the Air Force has shrunk from 592k to 323k, and the Marines have gone from 194k up to 205k, but they're losing a whole Marine Expeditionary Brigade. The Reserve Forces, which have also, unlike any conflict since Korea, been heavily involved in the past 10 years of warfare, have also been cut, but I don't have those numbers. Our Army fighting divisions have been split up into modular brigades (about 5k personnel) to make up for its downsizing; the Navy has lost about half its fleet; the Air Force is losing several wings worth of fighters, but their downsizing their fighter wings from 24 to 18. Yeah, I'd say the military has shrunk considerably just in the past 20 years.
