Drunk Moron

[Compatriot G]

This thread is really funny. It is funny the number of people jumping on Ed because he put a gun in his pocket before he went outside to yell at a drunken idiot that was beating on his neighbor's car. Is this the same INGO that had threads about OC'ing while you're at home and how do I carry when I'm taking a shower?

Obviously, some of you have missed Ed's other posts. The ones where he mentions the city he lives in and the university he attends. People were posting about "BG1" and "BG2" in their responses. "BG1" and "BG2" were drunken college students. They were most likely together. "BG2" came out of nowhere and tackled and hit "BG1" because after "BG2" got done pissing on somebody else's car, he saw what his buddy was doing and realized they were probably going to get the police called on them. Usually, context and background are important to a story. This one is no different.

 

[IndyGunner]

thank you

I posted about "grabbing my g27" merely to insinuate that I had it in my dresser in my bedroom instead of on my person. It was and would only be used if I were in fear for my life, but was mentioned because I was previously unarmed. I see no difference between what I did and just carrying from the beginning inside my house (which I do from time to time).

They were drunk college kids, I've seen them (not specifically them) every single day for the past 3 3/4 years. This isnt to say the situation is any less serious, however I can say I would probably have acted differently if I were in a different area, dealing with a different demographic of people.

 

[dom1104]

Last night, I hear BANG BANG BANG, look out my window... this dude is beating the **** out of the side of a car (next to mine, but not mine) in the parking lot outside my apartment. I grab my g27, put it in my pocket (still in the FIST hoster), and ran outside. I yelled "hey what the bunnies and unicorns!", the guy then took off in the opposite direction, I yelled again and he turned around and started to run at me. I wasn't in fear for my life which is why I didnt draw on him, but he still freaked me out. Then out of nowhere some guy cuts him off before he gets close, takes him to the ground, hits him in the face once, then says "we need to get the bunnies and unicorns out of here he's going to call the cops", then they got up and ran back in the opposite direction of me. Last thing I remember is his friend saying "sorry dude". I then went back inside and kept an eye out of my window. Didnt call the police, but told my neighbor what happened afterwards. There was really no damage for how violent he was hitting the car.


...wtf!?!?!?!


Would you have done anything different or not done anything.

First post.

thank you

I posted about "grabbing my g27" merely to insinuate that I had it in my dresser in my bedroom instead of on my person. It was and would only be used if I were in fear for my life, but was mentioned because I was previously unarmed. I see no difference between what I did and just carrying from the beginning inside my house (which I do from time to time).

They were drunk college kids, I've seen them (not specifically them) every single day for the past 3 3/4 years. This isnt to say the situation is any less serious, however I can say I would probably have acted differently if I were in a different area, dealing with a different demographic of people.

Last post.

Interesting.

 

[gungirl65]

If this happened in Muncie then OP should be commended that he handled everything so well and that he didn't shoot the college kid(s). It hasn't been that long ago (2003) when a university cop was faced with a drunken BSU student and he felt the need to shoot and kill him.

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[IndyGunner]

First post.

Last post.

Interesting.

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[IndyGunner]

If this happened in Muncie then OP should be commended that he handled everything so well and that he didn't shoot the college kid(s). It hasn't been that long ago (2003) when a university cop was faced with a drunken BSU student and he felt the need to shoot and kill him.

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Yes it was in Muncie. Thank you.

 

[richardraw316]

im completely with the op on this one, except, the police should have been notified before you stepped out. With that being said, you stood up for someone other than yourself, i find that very noble and should be commended.
Alot of people have been saying on this post and others, what they would do or in this case not do. You went out armed even though you were fairly confident that you would not need it, but would have it if needed. you stopped a crime without resorting to violence. good for you.
The op proved he had the courage to step out and stop a petty crime, also proves he would step out for a violent crime. everyone else has proven they would watch form the window as someones possible lively hood was destroyed. that tells me if someone was getting assualted, you might just sit and watch that to.
anybody can say what they will and wont do in that situation, and it is all the same BS until the day they are in that situation.
the op intentions were not to hurt or kill anybody, but to stop stupid people from doing stupid things.
keep your head up, you should be proud of yourself.

 

[Dead Duck]

Grabbing your gun or not while going out the door to checkout a noise is irrelevant.

The OP could have already had his gun on him. Would this make a difference? I grab mine before leaving my door if not already armed, even to get the mail. Just like my keys and my phone. It does not matter where you live. Anything can happen to Anyone, Anywhere.
Say he was already carrying his gun and hears the noise, looks outside and thinks he sees a guy by the cars.

Should he then disarm because it doesn't look life threatening at the moment? Let’s say he does leave his gun inside.
OK, so he goes outside, unarmed to get a closer look - now see's that this guy could be a threat, does he then interview the perp to check his intentions first?

"Excuse me sir but after your done beating that car, are you going to leave or will this escalate into something more violent? I just need to know cause I'm unarmed right now and so…..Wait right here, I’ll be back."

Armed or not, walking outside was what he thought was the right thing to do. Obviously not for some and that’s OK.

We don't know anyone's intentions so just because a scenario has already played out one way, doesn't give anyone the cause to "should of - would of - could of" in that scenario. He stopped a simple car assault but might have stopped something more serious but without going out to see in the first place, would have never known.

As far as the OP knew, it could have been from someone kicking the car - to a guy breaking into the car trying to get to an occupant inside. And yes, perp breaking a window on a car with an occupant inside could be a reason to draw your weapon.

He has the right to investigate a noise - armed or unarmed as he sees fit- as does anyone else has the right to sit in their "safe zone" and peak out the window.

You also have the right to hide in the closet during a home invasion or cower under a table during a robbery. You defiantly have the right to get raped during a mugging.
You have the right to be a useless, stagnant citizen while pissing your pants, crying and throwing-up if you think it will make a difference but I can guarantee you this. Bad people are going to do bad things, regardless.
Strap on a set and do something.

Vigilante, I am not nor do I promote it. I just refuse to be a victim and to be victimized by thugs just because they can. Taking action is a right to some and a duty to others.

Besides "Be Prepared"
Anyone remember this one? –

Scout Oath -
On my honor I will do my best
to do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
to help other people at all times;
to keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

Scout Law -
A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.

 

[IndyGunner]

Its been a long time since I was in the scouts, but the Oath still holds true today! Thank you!

 

[gohard43]

This thread is really funny. It is funny the number of people jumping on Ed because he put a gun in his pocket before he went outside to yell at a drunken idiot that was beating on his neighbor's car. Is this the same INGO that had threads about OC'ing while you're at home and how do I carry when I'm taking a shower?

Obviously, some of you have missed Ed's other posts. The ones where he mentions the city he lives in and the university he attends. People were posting about "BG1" and "BG2" in their responses. "BG1" and "BG2" were drunken college students. They were most likely together. "BG2" came out of nowhere and tackled and hit "BG1" because after "BG2" got done pissing on somebody else's car, he saw what his buddy was doing and realized they were probably going to get the police called on them. Usually, context and background are important to a story. This one is no different.

THIS!!!

I went to BSU, this stuff happens all the time (same with every other college). I don't think his life was in danger by going outside to yell at the punks and I think he would agree. Having the gun in his pocket during this occurrence is no different than having one in his pocket while shopping all day. The punk wasn't going to kill him. He could have walked right back inside before the dumba** got to him.

 

[IndyGunner]

THIS!!!

I went to BSU, this stuff happens all the time (same with every other college). I don't think his life was in danger by going outside to yell at the punks and I think he would agree. Having the gun in his pocket during this occurrence is no different than having one in his pocket while shopping all day. The punk wasn't going to kill him. He could have walked right back inside before the dumba** got to him.

On a daily basis! (not really, but it sure feels that way)

 

[CJK]

Its neighborly that you intervened in a vandalism, however I'd say the big mistake you made was not noticing the other guy. You got lucky as you could have made the evening news.

Im not suggesting you stand by and close the drapes, but if you're going to take matters into your own hands you better make sure you're in control of the situation.

 

[IndyGunner]

Please excuse my ridiculously awesome paint skills...



Green=me
Red=guy beating car
X's= closest is my car, the next one was the car he was beating
blue=path of d-bag
pink= path of his friend
teal= their direction of retreat.

 

[Dead Duck]

Ohhhhhhhh............Pretty Colors .

 

[jamesg]

THIS!!!

I went to BSU, this stuff happens all the time (same with every other college). I don't think his life was in danger by going outside to yell at the punks and I think he would agree. Having the gun in his pocket during this occurrence is no different than having one in his pocket while shopping all day. The punk wasn't going to kill him. He could have walked right back inside before the dumba** got to him.

i dont think it has anything to do really with carrying, some people feel putting yourself into a situation you have no need to be in was the primary trespass. The gun simply added another dimension to it. I personally would be much less likely to get involved with a gun on me than without though even though that goes against my instinct. I avoid confrontation much more when carrying than when not. I would much rather be armed than unarmed in that situation, but I would have just called the cops and went back to bed too. If that was "your" car, guess what, your car just got jacked up. Don't make enemies, karma is a *****.

 

[IndyGunner]

i dont think it has anything to do really with carrying, some people feel putting yourself into a situation you have no need to be in was the primary trespass. The gun simply added another dimension to it. I personally would be much less likely to get involved with a gun on me than without though even though that goes against my instinct. I avoid confrontation much more when carrying than when not. I would much rather be armed than unarmed in that situation, but I would have just called the cops and went back to bed too. If that was "your" car, guess what, your car just got jacked up. Don't make enemies, karma is a *****.

Once again, I dont see the difference between carrying already and going outside, and grabbing it and going outside. The intent to use it is exactly the same in both situations, as a last resort if and when I were in fear for my life or someone else's. It was never touched, never drawn, etc. I too am more inclined to avoid bad situations when I am carrying, but this wasnt one of them. The bold part is just ridiculous. You can argue it "wasn't smart" to go out for someone else's car... but I'm damn sure going out for mine. You might not consider vandalism as theft, but its going to cost me $1000+ which is more $ than most of the things you could steal from me. Doesnt matter if I'm in an apartment or a 1000 acre ranch, I will defend my family, my friends, myself, and my property... hell even my neighbors property!

 

[jamesg]

Once again, I dont see the difference between carrying already and going outside, and grabbing it and going outside. The intent to use it is exactly the same in both situations, as a last resort if and when I were in fear for my life or someone else's. It was never touched, never drawn, etc. I too am more inclined to avoid bad situations when I am carrying, but this wasnt one of them. The bold part is just ridiculous. You can argue it "wasn't smart" to go out for someone else's car... but I'm damn sure going out for mine. You might not consider vandalism as theft, but its going to cost me $1000+ which is more $ than most of the things you could steal from me. Doesnt matter if I'm in an apartment or a 1000 acre ranch, I will defend my family, my friends, myself, and my property... hell even my neighbors property!

right on! i will protect life, everything else is replaceable and not worth a confrontation involving a gun. I'll let you protect my car, thanks.

 

[IndyGunner]

 

[dom1104]

So posted in a forum called carry issues and self defense, it has now been revealed to us all that there was no carry issue, or self defense going on, and the whole thing is just one big yawnfest.

Wow.

 

[jamesg]

So posted in a forum called carry issues and self defense, it has now been revealed to us all that there was no carry issue, or self defense going on, and the whole thing is just one big yawnfest.

Wow.

hey, stop that! this was obviously a case of life threatening unavoidable confrontation