ED HIRSCHY

[greyhound47]

My fav dealing with him is when:

1. I called to check to see if he had 9mm bulk ammo. he quoted me a price and I said I will be right out. He said appt only. OK, I set an appt but I asked him to hold the ammo. He said NO, I do not hold anything. I said, but you require an appt? Why would I drive all the way out there only to find out that last case of ammo is gone?

2. I bought my M&P 22 from him. He quoted me a price over the phone, I set the appt, and he jacked up the price $30 when went in, filled out the paperwork, and he had my card in his hands!

Total a$$clown. I only use him when I can back his fat butt in the corner on something I cannot get anywhere else.

 

[Mcglockin7]

I honestly just think he has a horrible memory and just spits out prices and changes them hoping people will forget.

 

[greyhound47]

I honestly just think he has a horrible memory and just spits out prices and changes them hoping people will forget.

No way. Every time he has jacked me up he tried to justify the higher price, and his lie, first. NOW I force him to confirm the price before I drive out there.

I have finally learned that you don't necessarily need to be friends with your dealer. Unlike Ranger Supply with their very limited stock and just as limited pull with the distributors, Hirschey can get almost anything, if you are willing to pay for it.

 

[LeeStreet]

Of what I've heard & read, I'm not going to kiss someones butt for them to make a profit off of me .

 

[hillnc01]

No way. Every time he has jacked me up he tried to justify the higher price, and his lie, first. NOW I force him to confirm the price before I drive out there.

I have finally learned that you don't necessarily need to be friends with your dealer. Unlike Ranger Supply with their very limited stock and just as limited pull with the distributors, Hirschey can get almost anything, if you are willing to pay for it.

This is what I've run into.. The guy can get his hands on almost anything but I can't stand the cat and mouse game... He claims to match or beat prices but when you get there he jacks them up or tells you that the gun you saw at the other place isn't as good or isn't the same. He obviously isn't hurting for business and I've actually heard him on the phone tell people he's to busy to set appointments at this time. I still prefer to do business else where when possible as I too have had some issues with Ed.

 

[bobjordan]

I've bought from Ed for as long as he's been in business, and I can guarantee that as long as you're a gentleman, he will treat you like one. Don't be scared off by complaints about how harsh he can be. He is too successful to screw around with people who want to go back-and-forth on prices. My suggestion: shop around at the junk stores in Fort Wayne where thousands of guys handle the guns that are labeled "new" before being bought, call Ed, ask if he can beat whatever price you saw (and don't lie to him, he knows ALL of Indiana's prices), then buy from him. Don't mess around. He and his family are EXTREMELY hard-working and don't tolerate hicks who have nothing better to do than chat in his shop. He will send away anyone who wastes his time. This is by far the best store in Fort Wayne and I'd even say Indiana. Call him elitist, but guess what, if you're not a gentleman and don't like like the service of a gentleman's store, then you don't have to go there. In fact, Ed would prefer you didn't. He can afford to be picky with his clients, but treat him respectfully, and I can promise that he will do the same for you.

 

[jdude]

I've bought from Ed for as long as he's been in business, and I can guarantee that as long as you're a gentleman, he will treat you like one. Don't be scared off by complaints about how harsh he can be. He is too successful to screw around with people who want to go back-and-forth on prices. My suggestion: shop around at the junk stores in Fort Wayne where thousands of guys handle the guns that are labeled "new" before being bought, call Ed, ask if he can beat whatever price you saw (and don't lie to him, he knows ALL of Indiana's prices), then buy from him. Don't mess around. He and his family are EXTREMELY hard-working and don't tolerate hicks who have nothing better to do than chat in his shop. He will send away anyone who wastes his time. This is by far the best store in Fort Wayne and I'd even say Indiana. Call him elitist, but guess what, if you're not a gentleman and don't like like the service of a gentleman's store, then you don't have to go there. In fact, Ed would prefer you didn't. He can afford to be picky with his clients, but treat him respectfully, and I can promise that he will do the same for you.

Ed is that you? I tried to do business with him about a year ago. I understood his program before I even called him, I treated him with the utmost respect on the phone as I do with anyone I do business with as I am the owner of a small business. I inquired about a pistol i was interested in and had already done my research before calling him. Right away he tried to talk me into something else and when I told him I knew what I wanted and just wanted to know if he could get it and what the price would be he agreed to check for me. We had some nice conversation that left me thinking, why do people complain so much about him, we ended the conversation with him telling me to call back in a couple of days and he would have the price and avalibility for me.

I called back as requested a couple of days later and reminded him of our conversation earlier in the week. This is where it got funky, he couldn't recall even talking to me or what we talked about but after a reminder he began to remember the call. He told me the pistol was not currently available from his sources, I told him I would be willing to wait if he could offer me a fair price and then the pricing dance started. He asked me how much I could get it for elsewhere and I said, just give me your best price and I will decide if I want to place the order with you and wait for it to come in. He kept pressing me for his competitor's price and said he could surely beat it. I relented and told him what I could get it for and he said
" well now we have our cards on the table " and told me he couldn't come close to matching that price.

The sad thing is, since that experience I have purchased over 15 firearms and many of those could have been through him but because of my initial experience he will never see one penney of my money ever. I truley was a gentleman and treated him with respect during my conversations but did not receive the same in return.

So "bobjordan" , I find it hard to believe much of what you say based on my experience with him and the comments others have offered.

 

[bobjordan]

He asked me how much I could get it for elsewhere and I said, just give me your best price and I will decide if I want to place the order with you and wait for it to come in. He kept pressing me for his competitor's price and said he could surely beat it. I relented and told him what I could get it for and he said
" well now we have our cards on the table "

All this does is prove that Ed is unwilling to work with individuals who want to negotiate prices, which he says from the start. It also shows that you aren't as respectful toward dealers as you say you are, since you didn't immediately disclose your knowledge. Good for Ed for not wanting your business when he could work with more forthright and honest gentlemen.

 

[Mcglockin7]

I've bought from Ed for as long as he's been in business, and I can guarantee that as long as you're a gentleman, he will treat you like one. Don't be scared off by complaints about how harsh he can be. He is too successful to screw around with people who want to go back-and-forth on prices. My suggestion: shop around at the junk stores in Fort Wayne where thousands of guys handle the guns that are labeled "new" before being bought, call Ed, ask if he can beat whatever price you saw (and don't lie to him, he knows ALL of Indiana's prices), then buy from him. Don't mess around. He and his family are EXTREMELY hard-working and don't tolerate hicks who have nothing better to do than chat in his shop. He will send away anyone who wastes his time. This is by far the best store in Fort Wayne and I'd even say Indiana. Call him elitist, but guess what, if you're not a gentleman and don't like like the service of a gentleman's store, then you don't have to go there. In fact, Ed would prefer you didn't. He can afford to be picky with his clients, but treat him respectfully, and I can promise that he will do the same for you.

"Don't lie to him, he knows all Indiana prices" Dude this guy doesn't even know his own prices because he changes them so much he forgets what he quotes people and what BS lie he told them to begin with. I mean come on, how hard is it to get a pen and write a name and price down? The best store in Fort Wayne and even Indiana?? How many gun stores have you been to lately? It has nothing to do with being a gentleman, it has to do with how much he can make off you. If he can make 200 off a "hick" or 100 off you, he's going to make the appointment for the "hick" every time, as he obviously doesn't care much for personal relationships based off the number of people on here who have bought numerous firearms from him and he's treated poorly even after they've established themselves to him.

 

[Fargo]

All this does is prove that Ed is unwilling to work with individuals who want to negotiate prices, which he says from the start. It also shows that you aren't as respectful toward dealers as you say you are, since you didn't immediately disclose your knowledge. Good for Ed for not wanting your business when he could work with more forthright and honest gentlemen.

I have no dog in this fight, but nothing in what you quoted in any way refers to negotiating prices... How does asking for a best price equal negotiation?

In fact, I'm really hard pressed to find a single part of your post that isn't a non sequitur.

Joe

 

[Mcglockin7]

All this does is prove that Ed is unwilling to work with individuals who want to negotiate prices, which he says from the start. It also shows that you aren't as respectful toward dealers as you say you are, since you didn't immediately disclose your knowledge. Good for Ed for not wanting your business when he could work with more forthright and honest gentlemen.

No this proves Ed is only willing to do business with people he can make the most money from. And if he knows all of Indiana prices as you claim then maybe Ed should be "forthright and honest" and say he doesn't have time to deal with you unless you want to pay above retail or $50 bucks more than the guy down the street because they have "blems" or "gun show guns"

 

[bobjordan]

"Don't lie to him, he knows all Indiana prices" Dude this guy doesn't even know his own prices because he changes them so much he forgets what he quotes people and what BS lie he told them to begin with. I mean come on, how hard is it to get a pen and write a name and price down? The best store in Fort Wayne and even Indiana?? How many gun stores have you been to lately? It has nothing to do with being a gentleman, it has to do with how much he can make off you. If he can make 200 off a "hick" or 100 off you, he's going to make the appointment for the "hick" every time, as he obviously doesn't care much for personal relationships based off the number of people on here who have bought numerous firearms from him and he's treated poorly even after they've established themselves to him.

All I can say is that the experiences of my friends and I have only been superb. We are always straightforward with him, and we have never had any problems. I know plenty of people who have been clients of Ed's as long as he's been in business as well, and I've never heard anything negative from them. I have no idea where this talk about forgetting prices is coming from. He's never forgotten any with me or my friends.

 

[bobjordan]

No this proves Ed is only willing to do business with people he can make the most money from. And if he knows all of Indiana prices as you claim then maybe Ed should be "forthright and honest" and say he doesn't have time to deal with you unless you want to pay above retail or $50 bucks more than the guy down the street because they have "blems" or "gun show guns"

I'd be interesting in hearing an example of a smart businessman who isn't interested in making money. In all of the conversations I've had with him, it's always been clear that he doesn't want to negotiate. If you still chose to do so, that's your own problem.

 

[Mcglockin7]

I'd actually prefer he didn't negotiate and instead be honest. I just wish when I call and ask for a price on a Beretta PX4 and he says he will match 499, he stuck to it. Instead of having me drive 20 minutes to his shop and then say oh yea the 499 price is a blem gun, my price is 530. Or quote my friend a price on a Wasr 10 for 529 on the phone and when he gets there its 549 because he ran out of the 529 Wasr 10.

 

[bobjordan]

I'd actually prefer he didn't negotiate and instead be honest. I just wish when I call and ask for a price on a Beretta PX4 and he says he will match 499, he stuck to it. Instead of having me drive 20 minutes to his shop and then say oh yea the 499 price is a blem gun, my price is 530. Or quote my friend a price on a Wasr 10 for 529 on the phone and when he gets there its 549 because he ran out of the 529 Wasr 10.

I really doubt you told him the competition's number over the phone, because he is not the kind of guy who would tell you he could match if he couldn't. Plus, the fact that you would be paying $20-$30 for a gun that is truly new is honestly a bargain. I'd be extremely pleased with that.

 

[Fargo]

I'd be interesting in hearing an example of a smart businessman who isn't interested in making money. In all of the conversations I've had with him, it's always been clear that he doesn't want to negotiate. If you still chose to do so, that's your own problem.

Uh, pretty much everyone here's gripe seems to be that he DOES want to negotiate; but only after you already have a deal and have driven out...

Joe

 

[Fargo]

I really doubt you told him the competition's number over the phone, because he is not the kind of guy who would tell you he could match if he couldn't. Plus, the fact that you would be paying $20-$30 for a gun that is truly new is honestly a bargain. I'd be extremely pleased with that.

So its ok if he marks you up after you've made a deal because his guns are "better"? Sorry man, but that just sounds dishonest to me.

Joe

 

[bobjordan]

Uh, pretty much everyone here's gripe seems to be that he DOES want to negotiate; but only after you already have a deal and have driven out...

I'd suggest you call him and figure it out for yourself. Ask him about his negotiation policies and see for yourself if he tolerates it.

 

[bobjordan]

So its ok if he marks you up after you've made a deal because his guns are "better"? Sorry man, but that just sounds dishonest to me.

Joe

He never has marked them up with me, nor with anyone else I've ever talked to. The only place I've ever seen/heard negative comments about Ed is this forum, and having known Ed for a long time, I don't believe any of it. Even if Ed couldn't match prices (although he always has for me), I'd be willing to pay more because his guns are so much better.

 

[Mcglockin7]

I really doubt you told him the competition's number over the phone, because he is not the kind of guy who would tell you he could match if he couldn't. Plus, the fact that you would be paying $20-$30 for a gun that is truly new is honestly a bargain. I'd be extremely pleased with that.

I told him the name of the company, the price they had them for, and he said "I match and beat prices all day, it's what I do. As long as ED Hirschy can make a profit I will match or beat any price" I'm not saying the guy should not be in business to make a profit, but if you say you'll match then match.