Nice to know you think we are all white trash rednecks...
I wear a cowboy hat, cowboy boots, my wranglers, and my gun everywhere I go. If that makes me a gun-totin redneck stereotype then I really don't care to talk to you either. Don't judge a book by its cover and all that.
You most certainly cannot effect change by staying in the closet. If you want to see a major shift in perception, you need to get out and push for it. If not, then the "other side" will absolutely be pushing in the OTHER direction.
I thought there was a sticky for this argument.
I don't feel that it's productive to shove the issue into people's faces, which seems to be the case at least some of the time with OC. I've heard all the stories about the furious liberal who challenges the OCer only to be converted to a pro-gun position in thirty seconds, and they seem less anecdote than fantasy. The most effective means of bringing people around to a pro-gun position is simply to make no effort to avoid the subject, then offer to take people who choose to discuss firearms shooting. Note that this doesn't mean plastering offensive political stickers all over the lifted F-350 you drive to your desk job, wearing shirts that advocate "voting from the rooftops," ranting about guns at the drop of a hat, or any of the other odious idiocy that so many members of "gun culture" seem to hold dear. Just take some people shooting, and that's all. I didn't always support Second Amendment rights, but all it took was a few minutes with an M16 and a High Power to convince me.
So then how do we bring it up? How do we find people that don't like guns and then take them shooting? What civil rights issue can you name that has ever gained ground by staying in the shadows? Rosa Parks should have stayed at the back of the bus and just wrote notes to people at random? Certainly she shouldn't have shoved the plight of her people into our faces by not going to the back of the bus, right? I think you have some other issue here. Maybe you should try open carry yourself, get our perspective on it. Sure, not everyone that open carries is the best representative, but instead of complaining about it, do the positive representing yourself.
You know, the seat belt doesn't always save your life, so just stop wearing it. That is the same logic you seem to imply here. You did say it only seems to be the case some of the time so of course that means we should just stop OC'ing. You aren't making any sense at all.
The 2A IS a civil right; and a natural right.Comparing open carry to the civil rights movement is a nonstarter.
The 2A IS a civil right; and a natural right.
Civil rights is not just that which only pertains to race or ethnicity.
As a result, adults in Arkansas no longer need a permit to carry a handgun concealed or openly.
Subsequently on in Bonidy v. USPS Order the federal District Court in Denver struck down the United States Postal Service’s regulation banning gun carry in vehicles and on foot in postal parking lots because “n sum, openly carrying a firearm outside the home is a liberty protected by the Second Amendment.”
Additionally, pursuant to the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable search and seizure, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit reversed a lower court and held in Black v. United States that open carry of a holstered handgun does not provide cause for police to detain a citizen.
The last two items would seem to have a direct bearing on citizens of IN.
Not in and of themselves. We're 7th District, and those decisions affect the 10th and 4th respectively.
Agreed. I took your statement as meaning it's not a civil right.You are correct in that the 2nd Amendment is a civil rights issue.
But that doesn't mean that comparing the guy who wants to strap a m1911 to his waist and parade around the mall to Rosa Parks is the sort of argument that people not predisposed to consider carry a fundamental right are likely to find compelling. It is far more likely to turn them off completely. One would be wise to consider one's audience.
We all practice selective observation, but you may be right. I don't see very many people open carrying up my way. I don't much care how people who carry concealed dress, as they aren't self selecting as ambassadors for gun owners everywhere. I confess I did run out to the store last week in jeans and a decade-old concert shirt over a G19 in an MTAC, but I grew out of tugging at my shirt every ten seconds years ago.
My primary point is still that no soccer mom is going to see a pistol on your hip and experience an epiphany, emerging from Starbucks a newly-minted supporter of the Second Amendment as we interpret it.
If comparing 2A civil rights to Rosa Parks would turn a person off, then they would likely be a lost cause to begin with. If they truly feel my ability to carry a firearm to protect myself is not similar to racial rights, then there isn't much I can do to change their mind, is there? I have a LOT more positive reactions to my carry then negative reactions. You really should try it. I still can't see a solid reason for your dislike of open carry.