Officer on leave after police dog video surfaces

[ruger1800]

It was obvious from the poor video that the LEO involved did nothing wrong.

What was also obvious is that so very many, including a majority who posted here, let the sensationalist, profit-driven media build a sleazy news piece to lead you by the nose where they wanted you to go and....you went.

There was no abuse, no mistreatment, no nothing. The sad emasculation of America that allows so many of you to react with such sissiness is alamring. You can't find anything in the video that offers any suggestion whatsoever of wrong-doing. Nothing. It's not there. Dogs are not people. The training and interaction between them and their human master is not the same as with a kid or spouse. The dog absolutely requires you to be the Alpha. It doesn't work, for you or the dog, any other way. If you have no clue how to properly control a dog, why in the hell are you posting in this thread?

Take the media ring out of your nose and think for yourself. And....grow up a little. The world isn't all pansy flowers and pink stuff. The dog wasn't mistreated and the LEO did exactly what he was supposed to be doing. The rest was all media profit and weak-spined politicians who bailed when asked to show leadership and instead spewed PC crap to protect their own azz from the media monster. The media is the enemy, not this cop doing his job.

These working dogs require a much harder correction, than your pets, they have prey and defense drives that are hard to comprehend for pet owners, some have such a high pain tolerance they have no response to shock collars.
Most of you pansy pet owners would **** your pants if you took a bite on a sleeve from one of these professionally bred animals.

 

[actaeon277]

These working dogs require a much harder correction, than your pets, they have prey and defense drives that are hard to comprehend for pet owners, some have such a high pain tolerance they have no response to shock collars.
Most of you pansy pet owners would **** your pants if you took a bite on a sleeve from one of these professionally bred animals.

Oohhhh.
Name calling.
Makes me want to change my mind.

 

[jamil]

Why, they can eat a whole human in one bite. And their eyes have lasers. Are these super dogs susceptible to kryptonite? Sheesh.

 

[Cpt Caveman]

I saw a handler that was trying to make a distinct impression on his dog that something he had just done was not a behavior that was acceptable. He didn't shake the dog, he didn't kick the dog, he seemed to be in full control of his emotions and was not seeking to physically damage the animal. If he had been kicking the dog while holding it up in the air or shaking it or something like that I can see how everybody would get their panties in a wad over it.
I've seen animal cruelty folks. I don't think that was it. Animals aren't people no matter how many folks on here tell you they will kill you for messing with their pets.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I'm sure if an animal control officer witnessed me doing to my dog what this officer did, they'd agree it wasn't abuse.

I'd say it depends on the dog. The way my one dog liked to play I'm sure most people who just saw a video of it would have thought I was abusing her. I would slap(think a hard hit, hard enough to knock her sideways about a foot) her on her shoulders with a closed fist. She liked it and would come right back for more. "Growling and snapping", but when I let her get a hold of my arm she would just bite it and leave nothing but slobber, not a red mark at all. Until she realized I wasn't going to push her back and play some more then she would be bummed and stop.

Yet another cop skates on a clear case of abuse. This time it was a dog. Next time who knows who it'll be. People like that cop and other animal abusers often escalate to humans. It's just a matter of time.

How is it a clear cut case of abuse? Here is the definition

(2) "Beat" means to unnecessarily or cruelly strike an animal, or to throw the animal against an object causing the animal to suffer severe pain or injury. The term does not include reasonable training or disciplinary techniques.

If they can't be handled then they should not be on patrol.

The dog was being handled wasn't it?

No. But I can do physics.
Pounds Per Square Inch (PSI)
Here's an exercise. Let's calculate the PSI exerted by the spine on other parts of the spine.

I thought the dog was suspended completely by his neck, and a collar.
Let's review the tape.
Yup, full pressure of the dog, on the neck.

Well. This being a dog. I'm sure it's completely safe.

Hard Dog/Fast Dog Competition @ Texas' 1st K9 Olympics! - YouTube
This dog was being fully suspended for a good bit longer than the dog you are talking about. A guy I knew had a dog that would jump up and grab a hanging rope and sit there and hold on for a good minute or longer. Fully suspended. Dogs are built differently than people and can take different things. Stuff that wouldn't faze a dog, would hurt a person and vice versa.
Here is another video. A bit longer with quite a few different dogs. Heck not that far into it is a dog that bites on a sleeve is fully suspended and swung completely around.
2013 Police K-9 Cop Conference - YouTube

So how are people brought up on animal cruelty charges?

By actually violating IC? At least hopefully.

So that's just SOP for a K-9 not listening? Lift the dog up by the neck and whip it with the leather leash? Weird, I never saw that episode on the Dog Whisperer.

Actually I was told by a professional trainer, yes pick the dogs front legs up off the ground. They don't feel in control. And nope I never saw that on the Dog Whisperer, but I did see him put a dog on a 20 ft lead and let it run until it hit the end. Hard enough that the dog went tail over nose. To get it to heel. I'm sure that was harder on that dog than what this officer did.

He will not be punished, for what he did is not a crime under "IC 35-46-3-1 (c) It is a defense that the accused person (2) acted as a employee or agent of a law enforcement agency."

If he does that to his K-9 while off-duty, it becomes a crime. Class A misdemeanor (D-felony if it causes lasting injury) for off-duty Joe, but all in a day's work for officer Joe.

Is he still acting as an employee or agent when off duty? Then no.

Vohne Liche Kennels are very much experts in working dogs. They trained dogs for the DoD, and all the handlers for my location with DynCorp were trained by them. VLK bomb dogs went for about $10k a piece in the early 2000's. I don't recall any of our handlers treating a dog like that, a swat on the nose, yes, but not like that. I will admit they are experts and I'm not, but I still think it looks hinky.

From what I know of VLK, I agree. And no idea what their premium dogs are going for right now, but their quick sale trained dogs start at about $5k.
K-9 Quick Sale

They train and sell dogs all over the world, their reputation is more important than their 1 or 2 sales to Hammond PD every few years. If they are abusing the animal, I would assume it would affect the quality of the animal and they would want to distance themselves from the situation.

Why must you post something that I agree with? Why?

 

[level.eleven]

These working dogs require a much harder correction, than your pets, they have prey and defense drives that are hard to comprehend for pet owners, some have such a high pain tolerance they have no response to shock collars.
Most of you pansy pet owners would **** your pants if you took a bite on a sleeve from one of these professionally bred animals.

In trying to be a hard ass, you just made a great case for getting these animals out of the hands of police.

 

[Destro]

In trying to be a hard ass, you just made a great case for getting these animals out of the hands of police.

how so?

 

[level.eleven]

how so?

Over-bred drive for prey, genetically modified and unstable. Immune to pain compliance techniques. Verbal commands are hit or miss. Killing them is the only option to halt their aggression in some instances.

A human can stand trial. Animals can't.

I was simply looking at it from a public sales standpoint.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Over-bred drive for prey, genetically modified and unstable. Immune to pain compliance techniques. Verbal commands are hit or miss. Killing them is the only option to halt their aggression in some instances.

A human can stand trial. Animals can't.

I was simply looking at it from a public sales standpoint.

Over-bred? Not at all. Most dogs are bred for household and/or show pets so their drive is bred out of them. These are closer to what the breeds are meant to be. Genetically modified? No more than a heirloom tomato. Immune to pain compliance techniques? What the officer was doing wasn't pain compliance. But to a degree, not immune but very resistant. Do you want a dog that is used for household protection to run an cower if someone smacks them on the nose with a newspaper? Verbal commands are always hit or miss. You I'm assuming are more intelligent than any dog and have less instinctive behavior. Do you always listen to what you are told? And doesn't your last sentence apply to humans? Or at the minimum physical overpowering. Frequently at great risk. Do you expect any different from other animals? Or at the minimum any other predators?

 

[Denny347]

Dogs are not robots and have behavioral hiccups like ANY animal or person. Handlers are responsible for correcting the hiccups and making sure they do not become acceptable behavior but they still will happen.

 

[Rookie]

Even robots can disobey their programming. Look at Robocop.

 

[Cpt Caveman]

All of you folks that think animals are as important as people need to have your head examined. That guy wasn't damaging the dog in any sense. Like I said he was in control of himself and didn't do anything that was startling or disconcerting.
What we have here is sissyfication in action. Ya'll have fun whinin' about animal cruelty.

 

[Bravo-4-2]

There was nothing inappropriate in the video at all. Nothing. The sensationalist media created an AUDIO track to play with the video and you allowed yourself to be led by the media ring in your noses.

Watch the infamous video with the audio muted. Tell me where, ANYWHERE, the guy does anything wrong. It's not there. The entire thing was invented and you fell for it.

Some of you guys need to man up.....the sissy emasculation of this country is reaching an alarming level. Grow a backbone. Understand that authority has a place in our world. Quit painting lilacs and pansies on everything........

 

[actaeon277]

There was nothing inappropriate in the video at all. Nothing. The sensationalist media created an AUDIO track to play with the video and you allowed yourself to be led by the media ring in your noses.

Watch the infamous video with the audio muted. Tell me where, ANYWHERE, the guy does anything wrong. It's not there. The entire thing was invented and you fell for it.

Some of you guys need to man up.....the sissy emasculation of this country is reaching an alarming level. Grow a backbone. Understand that authority has a place in our world. Quit painting lilacs and pansies on everything........

I work in 140 degree heat, near 2800 degree steel.
At least 1 person on any given shift has had a body part amputated.
I've know the last few people that have died at work or suffered amputations.
I think my backbone is ok.

 

[KG1]

I work in 140 degree heat, near 2800 degree steel.
At least 1 person on any given shift has had a body part amputated.
I've know the last few people that have died at work or suffered amputations.
I think my backbone is ok.

Meh. Just make sure you understand that authority has a place in our world.

 

[Benny]

I work in 140 degree heat, near 2800 degree steel.
At least 1 person on any given shift has had a body part amputated.
I've know the last few people that have died at work or suffered amputations.
I think my backbone is ok.

WTF do you do and why does your company not have stricter safety regulations?

I can't say I'd do that for $100+ an hour.

 

[Rookie]

Meh. Just make sure you understand that authority has a place in our world.

I'm close, but our metal is a wimpy 1,400 degrees and it hasn't gotten that hot in a long time thanks to tempered air. 110 is about normal in the summer. Everything else I can also relate to.

 

[Bunnykid68]

There was nothing inappropriate in the video at all. Nothing. The sensationalist media created an AUDIO track to play with the video and you allowed yourself to be led by the media ring in your noses.

Watch the infamous video with the audio muted. Tell me where, ANYWHERE, the guy does anything wrong. It's not there. The entire thing was invented and you fell for it.

Some of you guys need to man up.....the sissy emasculation of this country is reaching an alarming level. Grow a backbone. Understand that authority has a place in our world. Quit painting lilacs and pansies on everything........

Watched it without sound. And if I were caught on video doing that to my dog nobody would be here protecting my right to yank my dog completely of the ground and whip it with the leash. I still think I would be likely to get a visit from the police over doing that to my own dog..

But if name calling makes you feel better, have at it.

 

[KG1]

Watched it without sound. And if I were caught on video doing that to my dog nobody would be here protecting my right to yank my dog completely of the ground and whip it with the leash. I still think I would be likely to get a visit from the police over doing that to my own dog..

But if name calling makes you feel better, have at it.

Meh. Just tell them you were training it to be a service dog.

 

[dans4420]

WTF do you do and why does your company not have stricter safety regulations?

I can't say I'd do that for $100+ an hour.

Steelmill us northerners have to make a living too not quite 100$ an hour though lol.