The Charles Kinsey Situation - Man shot by cops while lying down, arms raised

[mcjon77]

It looks like the police officer (a commander) who was suspended for giving misleading information was trying to cover his own butt.

the suspended commander was the person who said the suspect was loading his gun over the radio, which may have prompted the officer to shoot.

A North Miami police commander who radioed that a man was loading his weapon just before healthcare professional Charles Kinsey was shot was suspended without pay Friday for misleading investigators at the police department.

But when investigators interviewed him to find out what happened, this genius decided to go with the lie that he wasn't even there.

Sources familiar with the investigation into the incident that left Kinsey hospitalized for several days say Cmdr. Emile Hollant did more than just relay bad information — in a poor attempt to cover his tracks, he told police he wasn’t present when officer Jonathan Aledda shot Kinsey.

Somehow, a guy who has risen to the rank of Commander seemed to forget that all of the radio transmissions are recorded when he decided to come up with this brilliant coverup.

On an audio recording obtained by Miami Herald partner CBS 4 that purports to be the police radio transmissions just before Kinsey is shot, someone can be heard saying, “He’s loading his weapon.”

(Source for all 3 quotes: North Miami names cop who shot mental health worker Charles Kinsey | Miami Herald )

 

[BogWalker]

Are we sure this isn't a Reno 911 sketch?

 

[Woobie]

Are we sure this isn't a Reno 911 sketch?

Either that or Super Troopers. And the only sane guy in the story is poor Mr. Kinsey, who apparently wondered onto the set by accident.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Not sure if srs.

I wonder the same thing.
Does his race, or the shooters race have ANYTHING at all to do with the case?

 

[Dirtebiker]

The NBC Today Show just said the shooter/cop was a "white hispanic"... I think that explains it. Those guys...

Yep, it's been proven over and, ... Well twice now,... That "white Hispanics" can't be trusted with guns!

 

[BADWOLF]

I can see it now, after this shooting

#AUTISTICLIVESMATTER

Since the police admitted that the officer was trying to shoot the handicaped guy, why are the mentally handicapped targeted by police?

Or is racism so bad in the police community that even when they try to shoot a White guy, a black man gets shot.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I wonder the same thing.
Does his race, or the shooters race have ANYTHING at all to do with the case?

Can you say it doesn't? ...actually, you can say it, but you can't possibly know it one way or the other

 

[KLB]

Can you say it doesn't? ...actually, you can say it, but you can't possibly know it one way or the other

Why is the default that it did? Shouldn't you have some evidence before you make the accusation?

 

[oldpink]

Why is the default that it did? Shouldn't you have some evidence before you make the accusation?

Not today.
Isn't it already common knowledge that you are less dead if shot by someone of a different race than your own?

 

[Que]

By all accounts, there was zero justification for this shooting.

By all accounts, there was absolutely nothing racial about this shooting. It appears to be nothing more than a jumpy, trigger-happy police officer who made a bad shoot.

You know what, this could really be the issue with almost every incident where a White officer kills a Black man. It could have simply been a mistake in many cases. However, it becomes tiring whenever it happens, there is a vanguard put in place for the officer and somehow he blame is placed on the victim. His justification becomes plausible, no matter what. The media, law enforcement and citizenry combine to defend the officer, because it's believed that he couldn't have done anything wrong. After this happens over and over, it can only be assumed the victims are not as important as the officer in the eyes of those entities. We see this happening even in this instance. I've not even seen this on television and I guess that's because it would be seen as improper at this time.

 

[chipbennett]

You know what, this could really be the issue with almost every incident where a White officer kills a Black man. It could have simply been a mistake in many cases. However, it becomes tiring whenever it happens, there is a vanguard put in place for the officer and somehow he blame is placed on the victim. His justification becomes plausible, no matter what. The media, law enforcement and citizenry combine to defend the officer, because it's believed that he couldn't have done anything wrong. After this happens over and over, it can only be assumed the victims are not as important as the officer in the eyes of those entities. We see this happening even in this instance. I've not even seen this on television and I guess that's because it would be seen as improper at this time.

I admit that I haven't paid explicitly close attention to this incident, other than following headlines, cursory skimming of select articles, and this INGO discussion. That said: I have yet to see anything other than what appears to be universal agreement that this was a bad shoot, that the officer is to blame, and that the victim did nothing wrong.



Have you seen otherwise?

 

[Que]

I admit that I haven't paid explicitly close attention to this incident, other than following headlines, cursory skimming of select articles, and this INGO discussion. That said: I have yet to see anything other than what appears to be universal agreement that this was a bad shoot, that the officer is to blame, and that the victim did nothing wrong.



Have you seen otherwise?

I think it's disingenuous to say the officer shot the wrong person and he was TRYING to shoot the autistic man holding the truck. I wonder what danger he posed? He was trying to protect the man he actually shot from the action of an autistic man with a truck? This is nothing close to an accident, but more like incompetence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...s/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html#

 

[Kutnupe14]

Why is the default that it did? Shouldn't you have some evidence before you make the accusation?

While more white people are killed by black people because they're are, numerically, large numbers. I believe that these "iffy," "let's wait, and see" shootings are more common to instances where black people are involved. It doesn't mean the officers are racist, it means that they probably haven't (before becoming cops) been around a lot of blacks people, and probably are scared....actually scared is too strong a word. While some are certainly scared, I think uncomfortable us the more correct word to use.

 

[chipbennett]

I think it's disingenuous to say the officer shot the wrong person and he was TRYING to shoot the autistic man holding the truck. I wonder what danger he posed? He was trying to protect the man he actually shot from the action of an autistic man with a truck? This is nothing close to an accident, but more like incompetence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...s/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html#

That's part of the many-faceted story as told by the involved parties (including the Commander who has also been suspended for lying about the incident). Do you see anyone outside of the involved parties saying anything even remotely like this, or otherwise trying to justify the shooting?

 

[chipbennett]

While more white people are killed by black people because they're are, numerically, large numbers. I believe that these "iffy," "let's wait, and see" shootings are more common to instances where black people are involved. It doesn't mean the officers are racist, it means that they probably haven't (before becoming cops) been around a lot of blacks people, and probably are scared....actually scared is too strong a word. While some are certainly scared, I think uncomfortable us the more correct word to use.

The problem is that such shootings are not common in any way whatsoever, but are merely blown out of all proportion by the media and others with a vested interest in fomenting racial strife.

 

[halfmileharry]

The problem is that such shootings are not common in any way whatsoever, but are merely blown out of all proportion by the media and others with a vested interest in fomenting racial strife.

The media has picked up on a lot of these because the numbers are extraordinarily high and it's on the forefront of the news more than ever.
I'm sure there's lots of reasons for this and not limited to promoting racial problems.

 

[chipbennett]

The media has picked up on a lot of these because the numbers are extraordinarily high and it's on the forefront of the news more than ever.
I'm sure there's lots of reasons for this and not limited to promoting racial problems.

What numbers, exactly, and how do you define "extraordinarily high"?

 

[Que]

That's part of the many-faceted story as told by the involved parties (including the Commander who has also been suspended for lying about the incident). Do you see anyone outside of the involved parties saying anything even remotely like this, or otherwise trying to justify the shooting?

Yes. Are you wanting me to site a source or something? Look on this site and others like it and you will see it. Again, in other cases, there may have been mistakes made, but the other scenario provides better protection.

 

[Denny347]

You know what, this could really be the issue with almost every incident where a White officer kills a Black man. It could have simply been a mistake in many cases. However, it becomes tiring whenever it happens, there is a vanguard put in place for the officer and somehow he blame is placed on the victim. His justification becomes plausible, no matter what. The media, law enforcement and citizenry combine to defend the officer, because it's believed that he couldn't have done anything wrong. After this happens over and over, it can only be assumed the victims are not as important as the officer in the eyes of those entities. We see this happening even in this instance. I've not even seen this on television and I guess that's because it would be seen as improper at this time.

The LAST place you will see that is the media...hence the mess we are currently dealing with. The media LOVES to spin things that lead to ratings...bad cops are great for ratings.

I think it's disingenuous to say the officer shot the wrong person and he was TRYING to shoot the autistic man holding the truck. I wonder what danger he posed? He was trying to protect the man he actually shot from the action of an autistic man with a truck? This is nothing close to an accident, but more like incompetence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...s/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html#

An accident of this sort, based on this incident, is still incompetence. It makes no difference and I see no one but the PBA spokesman defending it (and that's what he's paid to do).

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I think it's disingenuous to say the officer shot the wrong person and he was TRYING to shoot the autistic man holding the truck. I wonder what danger he posed? He was trying to protect the man he actually shot from the action of an autistic man with a truck? This is nothing close to an accident, but more like incompetence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...s/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html#

I'd say more than incompetence for the shooting, for hitting the wrong person incompetence also. Especially since he fired 3 rds and one hit and it hit reportedly the wrong person. To IMO attempt to spin this that (again IMO) several posters in this thread have done the the officer was intentionally was targeting the complaint black man is I'm not sure how to say it to keep from being banned.

Yes. Are you wanting me to site a source or something? Look on this site and others like it and you will see it. Again, in other cases, there may have been mistakes made, but the other scenario provides better protection.

Well there are only maybe 2 people in this thread you could have been referring to myself being the main one. See below for part of my first post in this thread.

Now I'm not saying it was a good/justified shoot. From what has came out so far, I'd say the officer either needs serious retraining or probably fired.

As more info has come out I have changed my mind a bit. The officer who fired definitely needs training, along with probably the rest of the force. Although maybe able to keep his job depending on what training/policies the force has and what orders he was given prior to. The commander on the scene needs fired and quite possibly charged.

An accident of this sort, based on this incident, is still incompetence. It makes no difference and I see no one but the PBA spokesman defending it (and that's what he's paid to do).

I agree.