Rural King is looking for trouble

[ATM]

Understandable then. Well it's unfortunate he is caught up in their policy. But that's a chance for an LGS to earn his business.

...until the ATF leans on the LGS and "suggests" that they change their policy to "fix the problem", too.

 

[KDUBCR250]

I work part time at rural king and would have 0 issues selling a blind person a gun. Possum_128 and I have actually had this debate at work before.

 

[HoughMade]

After having seen what Kevin Costner did in "the Bodyguard", I'm thinking the ability to see my target is holding me back.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Do you mean like using some of the Laws already in place??

How about making some more laws that we do NOT enforce????..Seems like that is the way it has worked for a LONG time...Bill.

 

[IndyTom]

Was at an archery competition with a blind archer. They had a spotter who gave them guidance and they were pretty dang good.

 

[two70]

I went shooting with a boss that was legally blind after he bought a pistol.

I've seen worse shooters.

My friend's father was legally blind in his left eye and his right was almost as bad, yet he was still a deadly shot with a revolver past typical self defense range.

 

[Buck#1]

that is crazy. worst fear of mine is loosing eye sight for sure

 

[JAL]

I can make an argument that having an I.D. rather than a driver's license made you 4 times more likely to have arrived at the Rural King on a scooter.

Folks can lose their DL for a variety of reasons, not just DUI, although that and too many moving vehicle infractions in a short time are the most common cause. Someone with epilepsy (or any other seizure causing disease) can easily have their DL revoked if they have any seizures. Getting it back after the seizures are medically under control can be problematic.

Makes me wonder about how well SecureID procedures are working to prevent fraud. SecureID was implemented in Indiana for DL and ID cards seven years ago. I believe the IDs expire every six years, versus DLs expiring every five years. This kind of gun running doesn't surprise me though. Wouldn't be surprised if they started using the RK in Monticello if the one in Lafayette effectively shuts off the supply, or the Dunham's Sports in LaPorte or South Bend, or the Cabela's in Hammond. RK isn't the only Indiana source within quick driving distance from Chicago. This is like the clown squeezing the long thin balloon. It doesn't get rid of the bulge, it only moves it somewhere else. I would think ATF would be leaning on Indiana BMV regarding the bogus state ID cards, the real source of the problem, instead of RK.

John

 

[Kirk Freeman]

...until the ATF leans on the LGS and "suggests" that they change their policy to "fix the problem", too.

No, the LGS are doing so on their own. Very few people, perhaps excepting pure Libertarians who want to demonstrate how bad *** they are to earn libertarian starburst points, want to willingly arm murderers.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I would think ATF would be leaning on Indiana BMV regarding the bogus state ID cards

The ID cards are not bogus.

 

[ATM]

No, the LGS are doing so on their own. Very few people, perhaps excepting pure Libertarians who want to demonstrate how bad *** they are to earn libertarian starburst points, want to willingly arm murderers.

Silly rabbit, Liberty is for everyone!

This is why you never defeat me.

 

[eldirector]

The ID cards are not bogus.

How are they NOT bogus?

If they are not Indiana residents, they should not be issued an IN ID.
If they hold an Indiana Driver's License, they should not be issued an IN ID.
IF they hold a driver's license from another state, they should not be issued an IN ID.

The only way to get an ID card, legally, is to be a resident with no driver's license (from anywhere).

If they are issued an IN ID card, they could not legally be driving the purchased gun up to Chicago, as they don't have a legal driver's license from anywhere.

The ID card itself may be genuine, but I would guess that obtaining an ID under false pretenses (even if the info on it is real) would be illegal. Doubly illegal if you lie about the info (name, address, the fact you already have a DL).

Also demonstrates that yet another government registry is flawed and cannot be trusted. FFLs are REQUIRED to use a state issued ID, but the ID system is so flawed that the State is annoyed with the FFLs about people gaming the State's system.

 

[eldirector]

No, the LGS are doing so on their own. Very few people, perhaps excepting pure Libertarians who want to demonstrate how bad *** they are to earn libertarian starburst points, want to willingly arm murderers.

The criminals are already armed. Regardless of what silly laws are put in place, they will continue to be. This policy may make Rural King feel good, and make their lawyers feel good (and collect a few more fees for the advice), but it won't change anything at all on the larger scale.

 

[ATM]

Guns are no part of the problem, so adding new restrictions on gun sales is no part of the solution. Simple, really.

 

[Libertarian01]

Just out of curiosity I wonder how they would, or legally could, respond to someone presenting a United States Passport for purposes of identification?

It is my simple understanding that a US Passport must be accepted as identification under federal law. However, it is rarely used as such while in the states. It must be accepted as proper legal identification for voting.

Yet I doubt that many RK salesmen have ever had one presented, although it does contain all relevant information except the address. It includes state of residence and DoB.

Could it be turned down, legally?

Regards,

Doug

 

[JettaKnight]

Just out of curiosity I wonder how they would, or legally could, respond to someone presenting a United States Passport for purposes of identification?

It is my simple understanding that a US Passport must be accepted as identification under federal law. However, it is rarely used as such while in the states. It must be accepted as proper legal identification for voting.

Yet I doubt that many RK salesmen have ever had one presented, although it does contain all relevant information except the address. It includes state of residence and DoB.

Could it be turned down, legally?

Regards,

Doug

So, do you need to get a new passport when you move to a new state? If not, it's not a good test of residency.

 

[moosehead]

Could it be turned down, legally?

It's my understanding that an ffl is under no obligation to sell anyone a firearm.

 

[ATM]

It's my understanding that an ffl is under no obligation to sell anyone a firearm.

Yep. Even if they couldn't legally decline a passport as a valid form of identification, they don't need to make any claim that lack of valid identification was the reason they chose not to make a sale.

They don't need any reason at all to choose not to make a sale. Liberty.

 

[Birds Away]

They could even say that your santa hat is a bit gauche as we approach Memorial Day.

 

[ATM]

They could even say that your santa hat is a bit gauche as we approach Memorial Day.

I would not only accept that, I'd likely compliment their savvy personal regard to "common-sense" fashion laws.