Redneck Revolt

[spencer rifle]

The bottom two are a Hi Point and a Mosin. TACTICOOL!

 

[indiucky]

So, my family history intertwines a bit with the Molly Maguires and the same conditions that led to the Matewan Massacre and ensuing battle. I have great sympathy for the men who defended themselves and their families in that historical context.

A neat little list for you to peruse Lex...(From Blair Mountain...84 muzzleloaders!!!!)

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2014/3/13/guns-of-the-battle-of-blair-mountain/

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah, that's awesome. I think you've posted that before.

 

[jamil]

Quit stereotyping my people you Canadian.....Canadian...........BARRISTER!!!!!!!!!!

T.Lex, he's got you there.

 

[Bigtanker]

So is this basicly WLM?

 

[T.Lex]

T.Lex, he's got you there.

Excuse moi, je ne comprende pas les cous rouges.

 

[spencer rifle]

So is this basicly WLM?

More like the armed wing of AntiFa and the Communist Party and the Anarchists (Don't Tell Me What To Do).

 

[spencer rifle]

A neat little list for you to peruse Lex...(From Blair Mountain...84 muzzleloaders!!!!)

Hey! They had Spencer rifles! I wonder if they were actually carbines...

 

[indiucky]

Hey! They had Spencer rifles! I wonder if they were actually carbines...

I believe so yes.....IIRC Bannerman's sold them mail order pretty cheap back then.....Heck of a list huh????

 

[HoughMade]

...ETA: Image bottom keeps getting cut off...anyway, pic on the right bottom with the SKS. You only practice bayonet charges if you are planning on attacking opposing protestors en-masse...

Bayonet charges are for last ditch, no option situations where you have to make a stand and can't run away.

...meaning that they'll never actually do one.

 

[T.Lex]

Is it at all ironic that they are practicing for something that figured prominently in a Union defensive maneuver at Gettysburg? Arguably, the strongest assertion of federal power over the states in American history.

 

[spencer rifle]

Bayonet charges are for last ditch, no option situations where you have to make a stand and can't run away.

...meaning that they'll never actually do one.

 

[IndyTom]

The bottom two are a Hi Point and a Mosin. TACTICOOL!

So, it Mr Backwards-hat looking to drill the guy next to him in the face with his brass? He (Mr AR?) already has to fight with firearms being a lefty and now his buddy is sharing his brass up close and personal, too.

 

[HoughMade]

Is it at all ironic that they are practicing for something that figured prominently in a Union defensive maneuver at Gettysburg? Arguably, the strongest assertion of federal power over the states in American history.

Not even Antifa and criticize Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain.

(sits quietly, waiting to be proven wrong)

...and I wouldn't call that ironic, in a way, I'd call it "on message" in that they don't believe in states....or the feds, I guess.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

Bayonet charges are for last ditch, no option situations where you have to make a stand and can't run away.

...meaning that they'll never actually do one.

You're thinking in a traditional military context. Think domestic instead. My opinion is they are planning on using a bayonet charge during a protest clash. This would win in a battle against others who armed with assorted melee weapons and comes without the severity and bad publicity of opening fire.

 

[JAL]

Looks to me like it's yet another communist and anarchist recruiting strategy to attract those repulsed by AntiFa. The "red neck revolt" web site is laced with their ideology. Reads like much of Karl Marx's writing in the 1840's. The first clue is their motto: "Putting the Red Back in Redneck".

This is pure Karl Marx at the end of their "Principles" web page which is written as a manifesto. It has strong similarities with and paraphrases the last paragraph of The Communist Manifesto (1848, Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels).

WE BELIEVE IN THE NEED FOR REVOLUTION
We believe that there will have to be a complete restructuring of society to provide for the survival and liberty of all people. We will fight for the end of predatory exploitation of our communities, and the creation of a world where no one is without food, shelter, water, or any other means of survival. We believe in a future without tyranny, and the political and social control of a small segment of society over the rest of us. . . .

[underline emphasis mine]

Moving up the page some is classic Marxian ideology with a huge dose of Trotskyist Internationalism, an ideology derived from the First (1864-1876) and Second (1889-1916) Internationals, followed by Lenin's Third International which became known as the COMINTERN (1919-1943). The Marxian concept of the collective commune, intertwined with the Trotskyism, is embodied near the end.

WE STAND AGAINST THE NATION-STATE AND ITS FORCES WHICH PROTECT THE BOSSES AND THE RICH
Police, prisons, courts, artificial borders, and other systems of social control only exist to serve the rich. The nation-state project came into existence to protect the propertied classes and keep us working people poor and without power, often using varying types of standing armies to enforce laws which disproportionately impact the poor. We have no interest in ideological utopian governments- we do not seek to merely replace one set of politicians for another. We know that our answers will always come from a community level, where every person should be allowed to participate in making the decisions that affect their lives. We believe in community power and community rights over the rights of any government body. We stand with working class people of every country of the world against our common enemy: the rich and powerful, and will not allow arbitrary borders or boundaries to prevent us from unifying with other working class people.

[underline emphasis mine]​

Notes:
Trotskyism:
The concept of International Communism via a continuous, permanent revolution until communism is global and all nation-states cease to exist. The purpose of the Third International (COMINTERN) was to foment the spread of communism to other countries, to overthrow their governments.
Marxism-Leninism:
The practical government of Lenin with the Bolsheviks and the COMINTERN. Not fully Trotskyist, but nowhere near Stalinist. It was how Stalin characterized the Lenin era that preceded him.
Stalinism:
As the name implies, it arose with Joseph Stalin, as a National Communism, recognizing that other revolutions in Europe, starting in 1848, had repeatedly failed. His concept was strengthening Communism internally within the Soviet Union with a centralized state, a cult figure leader, and spreading Communism to other countries from there, but not foregoing national governments. It resulted in the Communist Bloc and Warsaw Pact after WWII. These European communist states were basically Stalinist in structure.
Maoism:
A modification of Marxism and Stalinism is Maoism, which has a central national government, but with a revolution based on the agricultural peasant class instead of the Marxian revolution of the industrial working class. There was no significant industrial working class in 1920's China. Maoism has been the strategy behind nearly all third world communist insurgencies which employ the peasant class in the countryside to overrun the cities. Kim Jong-un is a combination of Maoism and Stalinism.

Bolshevik and Menshevik:
You will also see these used regarding the revolution and the Lenin era in the Soviet Union, especially "Bolshevik". Most westerners don't know what they mean and they're very simple. After the October 1917 revolution, with the civil war dragging on into 1920, there was a single Communist Party. However, within it two major factions arose with differences regarding how to implement Communism in the Soviet Union and how to export it to the rest of the world. "Bolshevik" is derived from the Russian word for "Majority". "Menshevik" is derived from the Russian word for "Minority". While the Mensheviks influenced the practical ideology for implementing Communism, the decisions were ultimately made by the Bolsheviks. Lenin was a Bolshevik which is why he rose to power. Trotsky was a Menshevik for a while, and then switched, aligning himself with Lenin. When Lenin died, Stalin took over and purged anyone and everyone who either disagreed with him or posed a possible threat to his power and control. That included Trotsky's exile to Mexico and Stalin ordering his assassination by an NKVD agent who killed him with an ice axe (used for climbing glaciers).

Probably more than some want to know, but there it is, albeit with some simplifications. This is a Communist and Anarchist revolutionary organization. Their ilk have been around since 1848, about seven decades before the rise of Fascism in Europe.

Know your friends well; know your enemies better.
John

 

[HoughMade]

Looking at their website, for people supposedly committed to racial equality, they sure identify themselves as "white" a lot.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

1. Real Trotskyites were a lot tougher (Ok, Jimmy Rivers wasn't but 99% were) than those depicted.

2. They are Trotskyites. The Ron Pauls of the Left. The "movement" will dissolve back into their moms' basements as they have purity measuring contests.

 

[JAL]

Looking at their website, for people supposedly committed to racial equality, they sure identify themselves as "white" a lot.

I also noticed that. When you dig deeper, into the Surviving Sisters Gun Club in Pittsburgh and the Redneck Revolt organization there (and elsewhere), you start to find some people of color.

One of the photos on the Redneck Revolt main web site is of the arch over the door to the Beecher Bible and Rifle Church near Topeka, Kansas. The sanctuary was finished in 1862. It's named after the Rev. Henry Ward Beecher, a staunch abolitionist who was determined to keep Kansas a "free" state. He smuggled rifles through Missouri (a slave state) and past the state's pro-slavery regions in crates marked "Beecher's Bibles" to arm the anti-slavery movement, and their raiders in the 1856 "Bleeding Kansas" crisis. The Redneck Revolt's "John Brown Solidarity Fund" is named after none other than John Brown, the abolitionist who advocated armed insurrection as the only means to overthrow slavery in the US. He was a leader of anti-slavery raiding parties during the 1856 "Bleeding Kansas" violence. In 1859 he led the armed raid on the federal armory at Harper's Ferry to seize the weapons there for arming slaves. It failed miserably resulting in his capture, trial and conviction for Treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia (among other crimes), and his execution by hanging very quickly afterward.

This Redneck Revovlt co-opting of Henry Ward Beecher and John Brown from the 1850's and 1860's may seem odd. However, it's part of the current Communist and Anarchist rhetoric which claims the proletariat is, quite literally, enslaved by those in economic and political power. They characterize themselves as "John Brown" style abolitionists, using that model to rationalize armed violence to "liberate" or "emancipate" themselves from their enslavement. Remember the AntiFa recruiting I posted from the radical group in Brooklyn (The Base)? The stuttered muttering under the video's main audio, "Kill your masters!", is a reference to the same concept of being enslaved.

Note Regarding State Treason (versus US):
Nearly all states have a treason clause in their state constitutions, for treason against the state, including Indiana (versus against the US). Under the principle of dual sovereignty, it's perfectly legal and not in conflict with the US constitution which only defined treason against the federal government. Had Robert E. Lee decided to remain with the Union Army instead of siding with his state, and been captured, he would have been tried, convicted and executed for treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia, for waging war on them.

John

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Bayonet charges are for last ditch, no option situations where you have to make a stand and can't run away.

...meaning that they'll never actually do one.

The en masse bayonet charge sort of assumes both sides ran out of ammo at the same time.