Parkland Student Kyle Kashuv Subjected To Intimidation By School Admins & Police

[indiucky]

"Something" is going to be sore in the morning!!!

Maybe three somethings......

 

[chipbennett]

Would you agree there is a noteworthy difference between being asked questions and being interrogated?

In that context? No. The school - much less, LEO - had no business questioning him, whatsoever, period.

 

[chipbennett]

Bro, I'll be honest. I really don't know what you're talking about. I'm not trying to provoke you. I'm trying to nail down your position based on your own words.

Edit: I went back and looked. Now I understand what you're talking about. Members typically bold the portion of a comment they are responding to that is relevant. That's kinda an accepted way of doing things around here. Pretty much everyone understands that it means that this is the portion the replier is addressing.

Kut is right, and is describing typical ettiquette for replying to a quote.

"Bro, I'll be honest. I really don't know what you're talking about. I'm not trying to provoke you. I'm trying to nail down your position based on your own words."

No, you're not. You're a contrarian ******* looking to start some sh**.

Going forward, as far as I'm concerned, you don't exist.

If you want to treat someone as if they don't exist, just put them on your Ignore list. Easy peasy. (Note: I once got admonished by a mod for publicly announcing that I was putting someone on ignore. Just FYI. No need to see you make an involuntary appearance in the Shooter thread.)

 

[Kutnupe14]

In that context? No. The school - much less, LEO - had no business questioning him, whatsoever, period.

Kyle's tweets were posted to twitter, and other students had been made upset by the posts (per the principal as stated by Kyle). Given the tenor at that particular school, in my opinion, the school has the right to speak to students with the hopes of possibly avoiding disruption or some other issue. For instance, if a white student when to a predominantly Hispanic school, and posted a video of himself chanting "build that wall," at a rally, it's probably a good idea to bring that kid in, as well as any others that had issues with it, and try to avoid something undesired happening.
So it goes back to idea of whether he was talked to, questioned, or interrogated. Each conveys a different idea.

 

[printcraft]

They do monitor social media... however... I would bet that "other activities" by other students are NOT given the same scrutiny.

They did this to make an example of him since he has spoken out against them.
It's nothing more than intimidation.
If they think we don't see it or interpret it that way they are mistaken.

 

[Kutnupe14]

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[bobzilla]

They do monitor social media... however... I would bet that "other activities" by other students are NOT given the same scrutiny.

They did this to make an example of him since he has spoken out against them.
It's nothing more than intimidation.
If they think we don't see it or interpret it that way they are mistaken.

Sadly, many don't see it nor interpret it that way. They will be the first ones to tell you how open minded and intelligent they are as well. See: my brother in law.

 

[printcraft]

Kyle's tweets were posted to twitter, and other students had been made upset by the posts (per the principal as stated by Kyle).....

Right, so intimidate him into not doing that.
Why do I believe "intimidation"?
How many other students, if confronted about their social media posting by a school official are then questioned by the police?
Is it normal to have the police come in to question a student for a social media post? I highly doubt it.
This was given an extra effort. Intimidation.

 

[IndyTom]

They jump on a kid who went to learn to handle firearms with his father and mentioned the constitution and 2A after letting the one who talked about becoming a professional school shooter come on campus when he wasn't supposed to. Makes sense.

As for the idea that he was spoken to because of the discomfort of his fellow students? That's fine, but it should have been the principal or a counselor, not a room full of security and a sheriff.

 

[Kutnupe14]

They jump on a kid who went to learn to handle firearms with his father and mentioned the constitution and 2A after letting the one who talked about becoming a professional school shooter come on campus when he wasn't supposed to. Makes sense.

As for the idea that he was spoken to because of the discomfort of his fellow students? That's fine, but it should have been the principal or a counselor, not a room full of security and a sheriff.

Now that is a fair complaint. Way too often LE is called into situation that should be handled in-house, by the school staff.

 

[chipbennett]

This is where things get confusing. It is illegal to question a minor without his parents present "IF" he is suspected of a crime. However, it is totally legal to counsel a minor over his actions. The kid said something along the lines of the police trying to get him to implicate his father. My question is, "for what crime?" That's why this story seems a little iffy. I can see officers speaking to the kid asking him if it was a "good idea" to be some out in the open with guns after the events that occurred at the high school, but it's difficult for me to believe that they interrogated this kid. He makes it seem like he's in a dark room with a spotlight, and someone is about to yell "bring out the goons with the rubber hoses."

If there was no suspicion of a crime, then why would the police be present, at all, for a mere "counseling" session?

(I'm doing my best to catch up, while sidestepping the landmines and dung...)

 

[chipbennett]

Kyle's tweets were posted to twitter, and other students had been made upset by the posts (per the principal as stated by Kyle). Given the tenor at that particular school, in my opinion, the school has the right to speak to students with the hopes of possibly avoiding disruption or some other issue.

If the principal took it upon himself to deal personally with every instance of a student in a 3,300-student school (according to the jackwagon history teacher berating Kashuv) being "upset", the principal would never get anything done. The principal is responsible to use common sense and discretion. According to Kashuv, those questioning him had never even looked at the tweet(s) in question.

For instance, if a white student when to a predominantly Hispanic school, and posted a video of himself chanting "build that wall," at a rally, it's probably a good idea to bring that kid in, as well as any others that had issues with it, and try to avoid something undesired happening.
So it goes back to idea of whether he was talked to, questioned, or interrogated. Each conveys a different idea.

LEO were present. Why would LEO be present? What idea would be conveyed to a minor student, in the absence of his parents, by the presence of LEO?

 

[chipbennett]

Would you agree there is a noteworthy difference between being asked questions and being interrogated?

From a legal perspective - as in, the legal jeopardy of one of my children? Absolutely, there is a noteworthy difference.

From the perspective of the propriety of the school doing either with one of my children, without my presence or permission? No difference whatsoever.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If there was no suspicion of a crime, then why would the police be present, at all, for a mere "counseling" session?

(I'm doing my best to catch up, while sidestepping the landmines and dung...)

I acknowledged that police should not have been present, but unfortunately, many places lean too hard on LE when they are not needed.

 

[churchmouse]

OK. Regardless of how anyone see's any of this I will now "Tell" everyone involved to stand down. I am really really really getting weary.

Kut, leave him alone.

Itchy....you are out of strikes.

I have asked this to many times. Now I am telling you. Next smart guy gets a vacation.

I am an old guy enjoying the internet.

 

[chipbennett]

I acknowledged that police should not have been present, but unfortunately, many places lean too hard on LE when they are not needed.

Does the presence of LEO inform your answer to your question regarding the context of the meeting, with respect to its intent to be counseling, questioning, or interrogating?

 

[jamil]

If there was no suspicion of a crime, then why would the police be present, at all, for a mere "counseling" session?

(I'm doing my best to catch up, while sidestepping the landmines and dung...)

Unfortunately schools have relinquished whatever counseling/disciplinary role they had to school resources officers. Back when I was in high school cops showed up to investigate crimes and take people away in cuffs. They didn’t have a permanent office in the school. Teachers and administrators handled discipline.

Going to a range with your dad and tweeting about the experience is normal. And it’s none of the school’s business. The only ones who needed counseling is the people who were triggered. And that counseling consists of “yeah, so? Get yer ass back to class and stop worrying about what other people do.”

 

[Expat]

 

[actaeon277]

Unfortunately schools have relinquished whatever counseling/disciplinary role they had to school resources officers. Back when I was in high school cops showed up to investigate crimes and take people away in cuffs. They didn’t have a permanent office in the school. Teachers and administrators handled discipline.

Going to a range with your dad and tweeting about the experience is normal. And it’s none of the school’s business. The only ones who needed counseling is the people who were triggered. And that counseling consists of “yeah, so? Get yer ass back to class and stop worrying about what other people do.”

 

[chipbennett]

Unfortunately schools have relinquished whatever counseling/disciplinary role they had to school resources officers. Back when I was in high school cops showed up to investigate crimes and take people away in cuffs. They didn’t have a permanent office in the school. Teachers and administrators handled discipline.

That would possibly (though I find it hard to believe that schools have eliminated guidance counselors entirely) explain the presence of Mr. Greenleaf, assuming that he has assumed the role of SRO. However, it would not explain the presence of additional LEO.

Going to a range with your dad and tweeting about the experience is normal. And it’s none of the school’s business. The only ones who needed counseling is the people who were triggered. And that counseling consists of “yeah, so? Get yer ass back to class and stop worrying about what other people do.”

Exactly. Though, I might add, "...what entirely lawful things other people do." After all, that is the defining distinction between Kashuv's social media presence and communication, and the social media presentation and communication of the shooter. One celebrated lawful, responsible exercise of rights, and the other one threatened people.