Are guns in .40 going down in value

[JettaKnight]

There are always going to be the guys that just want to ring the bell a little louder than others even if it costs a round to do it.

You mean men who carry a .45 ACP, right?

 

[Trigger Time]

You mean men who carry a .45 ACP, right?

Those will eventualy fade out

 

[88E30M50]

You mean men who carry a .45 ACP, right?

There's always something bigger out there. .500 Magnum shooters look down on 10mm shooters, who look down on .45 shooters, who look down on .40 shooters, who look down on 9mm shooters, who look down on everybody.

 

[bgcatty]

Are they going down in value? Yup! Couple of on line dealers have .40 cal Sig 226 police trade ins for $399. If that’s not a drop in price I don’t know what is. Peace. Out.

 

[doddg]

There's always something bigger out there. .500 Magnum shooters look down on 10mm shooters, who look down on .45 shooters, who look down on .40 shooters, who look down on 9mm shooters, who look down on everybody.

1. Well said!

 

[Good on paper]

Everyone knows that the 7 members of the gun Illuminati decide what calibers will be necessary this decade....

 

[Itchytriggerfinger]

Sort of on topic.

Victory Arms has LEO trade in G22 mags on sale for $8.50 and flat rate shipping of $10 if anyone is interested.

Glock 22 15rd Magazine - LEO Trade-In | Victory Arms & Munitions

 

[Peacekeeper3073]

What happens the first time the 9mm round fails in the hands of a federal agent or agents ? Do we start the process all over again looking for a better pistol round as they did in 86 ? With that said, I know all caliber bullets can fail at anytime to produce the needed results no matter the caliber.

 

[Expat]

What happens the first time the 9mm round fails in the hands of a federal agent or agents ? Do we start the process all over again looking for a better pistol round as they did in 86 ?

Maybe. But I doubt it. There are several factors in play now that make it unlikely IMHO. Millennials, women, hipsters, have limited hand strength (according to scientific studies. argue with the science people, not me) so I think 9mm or even .380 will be the most power that people can handle going forward.

 

[ECS686]

What happens the first time the 9mm round fails in the hands of a federal agent or agents ? Do we start the process all over again looking for a better pistol round as they did in 86 ? With that said, I know all caliber bullets can fail at anytime to produce the needed results no matter the caliber.

Let me respectfully add. I believe the FBI has learned and charged a lot from that day in 1986. (Like using rifles on criminals of that caliber...no pun intended) As with the FBI (not including any HRT stuff) normal street agents are involved in 5-10 shootings a year. I'm sure the 9mm will work fine. But, most Federal agencies are still using 40 a couple 357 SIG and a few couple run 9mm or 45 exclusively and 1 or 2 night split 9/45 (Fish and Wildlife use to give the agent a choice(.

The US Border Patrol just did a request to replace their aging HK with a 9mm.if some yet to be decided make. Back before the 40 was mandated in the Beretta 96 USBP issues agents could carry their choice in calibre's but agency approved Anno. The 9mm issued for a long time was Removed 115 +P+ and they had a decent record with it. (Mind you this was early 1990's before the bullet designs and expansion improved)

So when and if the USBP goes to 9mn will be the big test since they have more armed encounters than about any other Federal Agency.

 

[mcapo]

There's always something bigger out there. .500 Magnum shooters look down on 10mm shooters, who look down on .45 shooters, who look down on .40 shooters, who look down on 9mm shooters, who look down on everybody.

....and 357 magnum shooters stand above it all!

 

[Ggreen]

....and 357 magnum shooters stand above it all!

Until someone shows up with a box of 3030 and a bfr

 

[BehindBlueI's]

What happens the first time the 9mm round fails in the hands of a federal agent or agents ? Do we start the process all over again looking for a better pistol round as they did in 86 ? With that said, I know all caliber bullets can fail at anytime to produce the needed results no matter the caliber.

Doubtful. The FBI test criteria and all the other research, record keeping, etc. that resulted from that incident arguably got us where we are today. Terminal ballistics and improved barrier blindness are good things, so if there was a quest for 'better' it's hard to argue that's not a win for everyone. However, the real question is if there's more meat on that particular bone, and I think that's doubtful unless there's some major game changing technology around the corner.

 

[DustyMck]

I’ve always heard the argument .40 hits harder but 9mm is tested to have a better follow up shot.

 

[croy]

Those will eventualy fade out

We lose more of them every day

 

[ECS686]

I’ve always heard the argument .40 hits harder but 9mm is tested to have a better follow up shot.

That's sort of a half truth. While it can in some cases it depends on the shooters ability and how much they practice. If they won't practice to master a 40 their follow-ups with a 9 won't be any better. Even if their split tis improve a miniscule amount it and/or the accuracy probably won't either

 

[88E30M50]

What happens the first time the 9mm round fails in the hands of a federal agent or agents ? Do we start the process all over again looking for a better pistol round as they did in 86 ? With that said, I know all caliber bullets can fail at anytime to produce the needed results no matter the caliber.

I'm a fan of .40 and would love to see it come back into favor, but I don't think that is likely to happen. If there were a major gun fight and the 9mm did come up short, there would most likely not be a big impact on what is carried. There's way too much data driving the change to 9mm for a lot of reasons outlined above. One bad result from a gun fight would not offset the metric ton of data collected in support of the move to 9mm.

As much as I hate to admit it, the drive to 9mm is being driven by test results. For departmental use, 9mm is going to be a strong performer for years to come despite any adverse results unless there is a long string of them. I'm still buying .40 for personal use and would jump on a deal if I stumble onto one, but I don't hold out much hope for it going mainstream in departmental use again.

 

[mcapo]

I'm a fan of .40 and would love to see it come back into favor, but I don't think that is likely to happen. If there were a major gun fight and the 9mm did come up short, there would most likely not be a big impact on what is carried. There's way too much data driving the change to 9mm for a lot of reasons outlined above. One bad result from a gun fight would not offset the metric ton of data collected in support of the move to 9mm.

As much as I hate to admit it, the drive to 9mm is being driven by test results. For departmental use, 9mm is going to be a strong performer for years to come despite any adverse results unless there is a long string of them. I'm still buying .40 for personal use and would jump on a deal if I stumble onto one, but I don't hold out much hope for it going mainstream in departmental use again.

....and the move to plastic pistols...my good 'ol metal SW 4006 doesn't have any more recoil than most poly-9's. Guessing the all metal Sig's shoot soft too.

 

[Hohn]

With police dropping them the market is becoming saturated. I've been told that glock will not be making gen 5 40 pistols because majority of the guns returned are 40 and the high pressure the 40 has is causing stress on the guns.

I am in the market for a glock 23. I really only need a frame, but having a 357 sig barrel is intriguing to me.

Can someone please explain why a 35,000 psi 40 is “high pressure” but a 35,000 psi 9mm is not?

 

[Expat]

....and the move to plastic pistols...my good 'ol metal SW 4006 doesn't have any more recoil than most poly-9's. Guessing the all metal Sig's shoot soft too.

Too soft, that is why we all get the .357 Sig barrels and put in the .40s