Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris is burning.

[churchmouse]

Howdy fellas. Looks like this is going the way most religious topics go but not over the brink yet.

Some really good points being made and some strong opinions as well.

Thanks for staying inside the lines.

 

[woowoo2]

Yep, he derailed another thread.....

 

[churchmouse]

Oh yeah I forgot.....get back on topic.

 

[BugI02]

Well, since that thing was built, we discovered the scarf joint. A perfectly acceptable way to join timbers to accommodate longer spans.

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I thought a 'scarf joint' would turn out to be a fern bar for hipsters, complete with poetry readings and weak beer. LnL

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[Dead Duck]

Yellow vests at it again...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/france-yellow-vest-protest-notre-dame

 

[thunderchicken]

Jeep- you told me not to patronize you and that I was backhandedly insulting you (from what I recall from the last page without quoting you).
You can be sure that is not at all what I was doing.
I never claim to be better than anyone. In fact I have said in this thread many times, I am a flawed man.
I meant what I said to you.
I am thankful to you for your service and extreme sacrifice. I cannot imagine the pain you have felt as a result of your service, nor the mistreatment you have dealt with ftom the VA.
You and many like you are what I choose to believe were chosen by God to defend this great nation. I wanted to, but wasn't accepted to do so.
I don't say it to throw my religion in your face by any means. When I said I would pray for you, I meant that too. I pray that you have peace, and comfort to live as pain free as possible. Just as I pray for all of our men and women in uniforms safety everyday.

 

[BugI02]

I'm neither a tree or a plant.
I own a chainsaw.

The issue is the folks that can't see the forest for the trees.

The human race is almost certainly an evolutionary dead end.
Humans have always taken the 'Easy' path, choosing to ignore the effect on the biosphere while reproducing out of control and consuming every resource.

There is most certainly going to be a catastrophic reduction in the numbers of humans,
I just don't know if humans have already created conditions that will cause total extinction.

Technologies will only save some simply because of the resources needed for those technologies, there simply isn't enough resources for the ever expanding number of humans...
The question will be how long the technologies can be maintained, and if the short term survivors depending on technology can evolve to survive in the new environment without the technologies when they fail.

Hopefully I'm long dead before the real pain & suffering begin.
The old & disabled, and the very young will be the first to suffer...
The doomsday religions and the insanely greedy have pushed the agenda so far along it's inevitable, it's just a question of *If* the changed biosphere can support human life as we know it at all.

Doomsday cult religions won't be happy until everyone is dead and their 'God' comes back to survey the damage,
The insanely greedy won't be happy until every resource has been monetized and that money has been concentrated at the top.
Don't kid yourself, food & water has already been monetized and they are busy monetizing air. Air cleaners are a big & growing business.
To create a demand for clean air, you first have to poison the free clean air on a global basis, which is already done & getting worse.
This includes governments taxing everything... The rich & powerful only want more money & power...

Everyone 'Believes' what they want, but the science doesn't like.
The only mistake the science made was not realizing how much pollution increases would happen over the past 100 years or so...
It's not like science hasn't been warning about this, raising LOUD alarms for the last 60 years or so saying we were very close to the tipping point,
And big energy got trillions in grants & tax credits! It was expensive waging a disinformation campaign before social media of the last few years, it's much cheaper for big energy/industry now.

Dude, I think you've got the arrow of time pointing the wrong way in that rant


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[chocktaw2]

Over $1,000,000,000 raised to rebuild it. Seems like a lot of folks want it back.

 

[chipbennett]

Don't be patronizing, the backhanded insults don't help either when you are trying to get a point across.

I would wager that thunderchicken was neither being patronizing, nor issuing backhanded insults. As such, your entire response is an exercise in psychological projection.

Sometimes, it's okay to take people at their word.

Oh, and by the way: CO2 is a lagging, not a leading, indicator of climate temperature. Humans have approximately zero impact on the climate, and there is almost nothing scientific about climate science. You're welcome to call me a climate denier - and you're welcome to be wrong.

 

[chipbennett]

Oh yeah I forgot.....get back on topic.

Oh, sorry.

Who stole the fire chief's wallet?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

 

[Dead Duck]

Why?
Why does everything need to be political?

 

[JeepHammer]

Dude, I think you've got the arrow of time pointing the wrong way in that rant


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Who exactly screwed up bad enough to make the 60s picture?
Here is a hint, it wasn't anything living within the confines of the biosphere...

AND,
Keep in mind it was REGULATIONS & ENFORCEMENT that produced picture #2.
All the while everyone is screaming for DE-Regulation so we can go back to picture #1 (or worse).

Science deniers can't see CO2, or methane, so they don't believe it exists...
Even though they both exist and are a real issue,
But they believe in ghosts, aliens, gods etc with absolutely zero evidence at all.

SO!
We are simply doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
No new earth to support us, this is the only mudball we have to live on, even if a few escape, the masses starve or get poisoned.

Keep in mind that anyone that does escape takes 100% of their resources from the earth, and it will take massive amounts of resources to support even one person.

You do what you can as a single person,
Sustainable food production, renewable energy, reduction of persistent toxins, use history & science to NOT repeat the mistakes of the past.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to do it, make an educated decision...
I don't want anyone to die, but if it comes to a choice between me & mine, and you & yours, I choose me & mine everytime since you & yours refused to participate in the solution while there was still time for a solution to work...

 

[churchmouse]

Who exactly screwed up bad enough to make the 60s picture?
Here is a hint, it wasn't anything living within the confines of the biosphere...

AND,
Keep in mind it was REGULATIONS & ENFORCEMENT that produced picture #2.
All the while everyone is screaming for DE-Regulation so we can go back to picture #1 (or worse).

Science deniers can't see CO2, or methane, so they don't believe it exists...
Even though they both exist and are a real issue,
But they believe in ghosts, aliens, gods etc with absolutely zero evidence at all.

SO!
We are simply doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
No new earth to support us, this is the only mudball we have to live on, even if a few escape, the masses starve or get poisoned.

Keep in mind that anyone that does escape takes 100% of their resources from the earth, and it will take massive amounts of resources to support even one person.

You do what you can as a single person,
Sustainable food production, renewable energy, reduction of persistent toxins, use history & science to NOT repeat the mistakes of the past.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to do it, make an educated decision...
I don't want anyone to die, but if it comes to a choice between me & mine, and you & yours, I choose me & mine everytime since you & yours refused to participate in the solution while there was still time for a solution to work...

OK.....last time I say this. Let this crap go and get back on point.
No more warnings. Awards for this will be handed out in bans and closing the thread. I am dead serious on this. Seriously tired of being ignored.
This goes to all involved not just JH. .

 

[printcraft]

How do you hate a roof?

 

[actaeon277]

How do you hate a roof?

Pretty easy. They hate everything.

 

[rob63]

How do you hate a roof?

The whole concept is so bizarre that it has me very curious as to what exactly they have in mind? I'm just not curious enough to subject myself to reading that website.

 

[Jeepfanatic]

How do you hate a roof?

By rejecting those hateful white shingles...?

 

[1775usmarine]

IBTL

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Medieval Europe was a crossroads of global influence, not a mythical all-white past. The New Notre Dame should reflect that.

So, the original thing wasn't a realistic enough representation of it'self?