Kim Jong-un orders country to be ready to use nuclear weapons "at any time"

[Kutnupe14]

KDS?

It seems like it sometimes.

 

[Thor]

Crazy little fat bad hair boy has been working on a sub launched system for years. He was bound to get one right eventually. His most effective land based missiles are those meant to be on a sub. Now I guess he'll need to start working on a sub not based on noisy diesel electric 50yr old soviet technology.

Since this shot came down in Japan's Exclusive Economic Zone I guess we should ask why no one is shooting them down.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Crazy little fat bad hair boy has been working on a sub launched system for years. He was bound to get one right eventually. His most effective land based missiles are those meant to be on a sub. Now I guess he'll need to start working on a sub not based on noisy diesel electric 50yr old soviet technology.

Since this shot came down in Japan's Exclusive Economic Zone I guess we should ask why no one is shooting them down.

I was wondering about that. I imagine that there's no way they can pull off a nuclear powered sub anytime soon, so I'm thankful for that.

 

[nonobaddog]

He still doesn't have it working from a sub but the underwater platform launch probably means he is getting closer.

 

[T.Lex]

This is a return to form for the DPRK. Invite "honest" negotiations, then do something aggressive to be able to "settle" on either the previous status quo or incrementally better position.

Trump tried something new. It seemed to work, until it didn't. Now we're back to the old ways.

 

[jamil]

This is a return to form for the DPRK. Invite "honest" negotiations, then do something aggressive to be able to "settle" on either the previous status quo or incrementally better position.

Trump tried something new. It seemed to work, until it didn't. Now we're back to the old ways.

With the reset maybe we'll have a year or so before we're back to near war.

 

[nonobaddog]

That kinda depends on when you decide to throw in the towel. If you throw it in now then you are right. I suspect Trump has not thrown in the towel yet.
We still have sanctions on NK and are enforcing them and fat hair bad boy still doesn't like that. There might still be some wiggle room to negotiate. It is still possible Kim is posturing with his missiles and big talk to gain a perceived advantage in future deals to get rid of the sanctions.
Or he could have waddled off into the deep end, time will tell.

 

[bobzilla]

I'm sorry, I thought this thread was about North Korea. If you have an issue with the validity of the story address it. Try not get sensitive about things because it's simply me saying it.

At least you’re not denying the fact that no matter what orange man does you’re going to criticize him for it. That’s an honest step in the right direction.

 

[Kutnupe14]

At least you’re not denying the fact that no matter what orange man does you’re going to criticize him for it. That’s an honest step in the right direction.

And at least youre not denying that you don't care what the topic of the thread is, if I'm in it, you want to pop up and talk about me. I'm flattered I stay in you thoughts.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That kinda depends on when you decide to throw in the towel. If you throw it in now then you are right. I suspect Trump has not thrown in the towel yet.
We still have sanctions on NK and are enforcing them and fat hair bad boy still doesn't like that. There might still be some wiggle room to negotiate. It is still possible Kim is posturing with his missiles and big talk to gain a perceived advantage in future deals to get rid of the sanctions.
Or he could have waddled off into the deep end, time will tell.

Serious question. Do you honestly think North Korea will give up it's nukes, short of regime change. And if you do, what do you think we would have to offer to get that done?

 

[Leadeye]

Act has a better idea about what kind of sub the Norks would need, but I would imagine they will never get there before the regime fails and Korea is reunited under a southern model. Much like Germany in 1989.

 

[nonobaddog]

Serious question. Do you honestly think North Korea will give up it's nukes, short of regime change. And if you do, what do you think we would have to offer to get that done?

Serious answer - I personally have many doubts that NK will give up their nukes at all. That has nothing to do with the reasons to keep trying. The reasons are many and obvious.

Hypothetically, let's say NK would give them up for some very significant concession. I have all the faith in the world that President Trump would not make any type of concession that would be bad for the USA.
The way I see it Trump will remain ready to keep trying to convince NK it would be in their own best interest to give up their nukes because it would allow NK to join the world and benefit that way. The sanctions could be lifted only after the nukes are gone and confirmed with ongoing monitoring with teeth. NK could work on economic recovery by cooperation with SK. We could even send them food at that point. They could develop as a nation and join world trade, etc., etc.

The negotiating points are clear enough but I still think NK will want to keep their nukes. They are likely stalling until the next US election hoping for a President that is softer than Trump.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Act has a better idea about what kind of sub the Norks would need, but I would imagine they will never get there before the regime fails and Korea is reunited under a southern model. Much like Germany in 1989.

It's been a while since I was in the ROK but they don't want to bail out the norks. I was stationed there not long after the Berlin Wall fell, the ROK wanted none of that.

 

[Leadeye]

In the end I think they will go the way of Honecker and east Germany. Force never holds anything together forever.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Serious answer - I personally have many doubts that NK will give up their nukes at all. That has nothing to do with the reasons to keep trying. The reasons are many and obvious.

Hypothetically, let's say NK would give them up for some very significant concession. I have all the faith in the world that President Trump would not make any type of concession that would be bad for the USA.
The way I see it Trump will remain ready to keep trying to convince NK it would be in their own best interest to give up their nukes because it would allow NK to join the world and benefit that way. The sanctions could be lifted only after the nukes are gone and confirmed with ongoing monitoring with teeth. NK could work on economic recovery by cooperation with SK. We could even send them food at that point. They could develop as a nation and join world trade, etc., etc.

The negotiating points are clear enough but I still think NK will want to keep their nukes. They are likely stalling until the next US election hoping for a President that is softer than Trump.

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...and I think that is a non-starter for N. Korea. Regime change is, IMO, the only realistic way to bring NK into the world.

 

[nonobaddog]

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...and I think that is a non-starter for N. Korea. Regime change is, IMO, the only realistic way to bring NK into the world.

You could very well be right. Kim has seen the modern world that is possible for the people of NK in visits to SK. The problem is he himself is not deprived of anything just way NK is now. He does not feel the hunger and suffering of the people. Hell, he kills them when he wants so he doesn't care.
It will probably take a regime change or much less likely - a big change in him over the years.

 

[nonobaddog]

Just saw NK does have one submarine (from china) capable of firing a ballistic missile. If he gets his water-launch missile fully developed for that sub it would make him that much more dangerous. Waiting for a regime change or for him to grow up may not be a viable option.
He has lots of subs but only one big one with that capability, for now anyhow, so destroying that sub could be one option if he pushes the world to that point.

 

[nonobaddog]

Talks with NK are set to resume again this weekend.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Talks with NK are set to resume again this weekend.

I hope this doesn't end up with another vacation....err.... I'm mean summit for the fat boy with bad hair.

 

[nonobaddog]

It is worth trying but I'm not holding my breath either.