Looking for someone with some land to shoot on

[Floivanus]

I'm not asking for carte blanche to someone's land without meeting them in person a few times, probably even taking a trip to a local range, so they can see I'm not some wingnut, and I know my 4 rules, and I'm not a pervasive muzzle sweeper, etc

4 rules?

Is it 4? 3? 5? 1?

ahh crap don’t get these guys started

 

[WebSnyper]

Not seen the OP and h has not been on line for 5 days.

Guess it was going to be too much of a time investment on his part to come back after dropping of his list of needs...

 

[ditcherman]

Guess it was going to be too much of a time investment on his part to come back after dropping of his list of needs...

 

[Expat]

Guess it was going to be too much of a time investment on his part to come back after dropping of his list of needs...

I don’t think he appreciated some of the advice he was receiving.

 

[Floivanus]

I don’t think he appreciated some of the advice he was receiving.

y’all are too mean. Lighten up on the new guy. He did call our laws “lax” tho, I think that’s punishable by a week long ban.

 

[AlienRayGun]

Not seen the OP and h has not been on line for 5 days.

Well that's odd... I hadn't received a message that there were replies since Oct 2nd. Just randomly decided to check back.
Catching up the replies...

Guess it was going to be too much of a time investment on his part to come back after dropping of his list of needs...

Nope, just need to know that there were replies.

"List of needs", 1) land to shoot on.

Hmm, long list.

Good point. Is it safe to assume that if its OK to hunt its OK to target shoot? (assuming you do so safely)

I called the DNR today. It is safe to assume that.

The gentleman helping me, was very helpful and not at all surprised by my question.

It appears I can go on state land and shoot my gun (minding backdrop, and other safety concerns).

I have the GIS maps on my laptop and scouted out some nice hills for backdrops at the nearest state park.

I'm going to give it a go, next week.

Might go to Wilbur Wright DNR Shooting Range this week, just to check out the amenities.

So let me get this straight.

You can afford firearms, ammunition, ballistic gel, targets, gasoline, transportation, etc., but think that $40 a year is too much for a membership to a range?

No, actually I can't, if you had read what I was saying.

Firearms are provided by the manufacturers for "free", have to pay FFL fee.

Ammo is provided by 'most' of the firearms manufacturers. Working on getting a sponsorship from three other ammo suppliers.

Ballistic gel via Amazon 'gelatin' in large quantities, is pretty much the most expensive part and I will probably reserve that only for ammo tests.

Targets I have a couple sponsors.

Gasoline, 34mpg car.

I think $40 a year is too much to a range, when I could spend that on supplies to build out someone's land for they and I.

AlienRayGunI, too, wonder about the yearly membership cost and excuses for not wanting to pay any of it. You know, shooting IS expensive so your quest into the hobby seems to lack some credibility, the way you present your pauper budget.
Plan ahead (WAY) into the future.
I did....

Thanks for your post RoGrrr. I had some land in the Prescott AZ forest. But the now, ex-wife derailed that. Had to liquidate everything. She ended up paying me alimony for a couple years (She divorced me when the economy went **** up and my well-paying job dissipated. She was cute, but not bright... and didn't realize that since she was now the sole breadwinner, she'd have to pay to leave.) I used my savings and her alimony to start my non-profit. And I was very successful at not-profiting.

So, yeah... planning way into the future. I plan not to marry again. Unfortunately, I am also not planning currently to stop running my not-profiting charity, so I will be a pauper for a while...

Unless... I can turn reviewing firearms and accessories into some cash by getting "Patreon", et al donations. Monetizing my site, etc.

Once again, this is NOT a hobby, it is a plan to start not being a broke charity owner anymore, by doing something that I can mesh into the little free time that I have, when I'm not working on my non-profit.

I'm in gas city but shoot on private property in Marion. How often do you plan on shooting? Might be able to help you out

That would be great bos-94-003... right on the edge of a 90 min drive. I can't DM yet, if you want to DM me your email or text number.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I called the DNR today. It is safe to assume that.

The gentleman helping me, was very helpful and not at all surprised by my question.

It appears I can go on state land and shoot my gun (minding backdrop, and other safety concerns).

I have the GIS maps on my laptop and scouted out some nice hills for backdrops at the nearest state park.

I'm going to give it a go, next week.

Might want to call the DNR back. Pretty sure you can't shoot inside a state park, just like you can't hunt in them.

State forests, yes. State PARKS, no.

 

[Restroyer]

Might want to call the DNR back. Pretty sure you can't shoot inside a state park, just like you can't hunt in them.

State forests, yes. State PARKS, no.

I know Brookville Lake is part of the State Park and you can hunt there. However, I don't think you can target shoot anywhere at Brookville Lake except their designated Shooting Range at the Quakertown entrance.

 

[AlienRayGun]

Might want to call the DNR back. Pretty sure you can't shoot inside a state park, just like you can't hunt in them.

State forests, yes. State PARKS, no.

Lol, you got me... semantics are important.

 

[Echelon]

All fun and games shooting on your property until you test the soil for lead.

 

[AlienRayGun]

All fun and games shooting on your property until you test the soil for lead.

I guess we don't have "No Concern Trolling" here?

You should doublecheck where you're getting your lead-contaminated soil facts from. Hint: It's the same place and same people that say masculinity is toxic, and Halloween costumes are "problematic". Did you enjoy, Indigenous People's Day today?

Whereas, [FONT=&amp]Virginia Tech. "Do Lead Bullets Continue To Be A Hazard After They Land?." ScienceDaily.
ScienceDaily, 5 November 2004. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041104005801.htm>

Disagrees with the notion that firing ranges drastically pollute soil, groundwater, flora and fauna.

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"We were invited by the U.S. Forest Service to look at the shooting range in the National Forest near Blacksburg."
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[FONT=&amp]The researchers'' survey found 11 metric tons of shot in the shotgun range and 12 metric tons of lead bullets in the rifle range. "These ranges are 10 years old. Most of the lead shot has accumulated on about four or five acres. Some shots have been into the woods, which cover hundreds of acres," Rimstidt said.
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[FONT=&amp]Professor James Craig, now retired, and Rimstidt looked first at lead corrosion and whether lead is leaching into the water table or streams. "Lead metal is unstable when it is in contact with air and water. It corrodes and forms hydrocerrussite, the white coating seen on old bullets in museums. That slows corrosion," Rimstidt said.
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[FONT=&amp]However some lead escapes, he said. "But we learned that it is absorbed in the top few inches of soil and does not migrate beyond that," Rimstidt said. "Lead is not very mobile. It does not wash away in surface or ground water."


So, if you're firing into a berm, it is unlikely for the lead to even leave that berm, let alone, transfer into a potable groundwater source.

You are more likely to be exposed to lead from firing a gun, or going to an indoor gun range, than transfer to the soil or water.[/FONT]

 

[Echelon]

I guess we don't have "No Concern Trolling" here?

You should doublecheck where you're getting your lead-contaminated soil facts from. Hint: It's the same place and same people that say masculinity is toxic, and Halloween costumes are "problematic". Did you enjoy, Indigenous People's Day today?

Check yourself. I'm not concern trolling, and I soil tested an area that has been a private clay range for a couple decades, and got results well over [EDITED FOR PRIVACY] . For reference the EPA says you need to keep the lead in soil BELOW 400 PPM to be safe for children. My land, my range, my soil tests... but go on and tell me how I'm wrong.

 

[AlienRayGun]

but go on and tell me how I'm wrong.

I'm not, Virginia Tech is.

 

[natdscott]

I'm not, Virginia Tech is.

Virginia Tech is not stating that NO lead is a problem. They are stating that in the confines of THEIR STUDY, it poses no issue.

Lead is NOT immobile at all. It CAN be a serious problem and pose danger for any person(s) down hydro gradient.

That all depends on geochemistry.

Unless you ARE a geochemist and hydrologist, and you HAVE studied a given location for a range, you do NOT know what will or won’t happen to lead projectile detritus.

Look up Botswana and be educated.

 

[churchmouse]

Check yourself. I'm not concern trolling, and I soil tested an area that has been a private clay range for a couple decades, and got results well over 50,000 PPM . For reference the EPA says you need to keep the lead in soil BELOW 400 PPM to be safe for children. My land, my range, my soil tests... but go on and tell me how I'm wrong.

I am not sure you can convince this one he is off base. Seems to be in a cloud.

 

[AlienRayGun]

Virginia Tech is not stating that NO lead is a problem. They are stating that in the confines of THEIR STUDY, it poses no issue.

Lead is NOT immobile at all.

That all depends on geochemistry.

Unless you ARE a geochemist and hydrologist

Chemistry, hydrocerussite. Why are we going to geology and hydrology, if the lead is fixed in hydrocerussite?

What the hell does Botswana have to do with anything? Those kids got lead poisoning due to bad industrial practices. TEL in gasoline, Lead in paint.

Look, I really don't want to have this argument. I'm not a liberal, and I don't subscribe to scare mongering.

 

[Echelon]

I have a little one, lead exposure is a serious concern for me. On top of that, we should all want to be good stewards of our own properties. I LOVE shooting on my land but I'm here to tell you it isn't without risk. I never NEVER considered lead exposure on an outdoor range, or what it was doing to the ground until very recently. Now, I'm researching how to abate the damage that has been done and reduce the risk to my kids.

 

[AlienRayGun]

I am not sure you can convince this one he is off base. Seems to be in a cloud.

You're right.

Where is the delete button for posts.

 

[churchmouse]

You're right.

Where is the delete button for posts.

There is none. What we post we live with...

 

[Echelon]

I am not sure you can convince this one he is off base. Seems to be in a cloud.

I'm not sure I'm following what you're saying?

EDIT: Disregard, I got you after re-reading.