Kobe Bryant killed in a helicopter crash

[cbhausen]

There are plenty of meathawks with simulators who reenact air disasters and publish them on YouTube. There are probably reenactments out there already.

 

[BugI02]

A wire strike is always possible, too; but the rapid climb just before loss of radar contact I think means he knew he was in trouble

 

[bwframe]

They just had a press conference. I only caught the end of it.

Looks like the pilot was likely turning to return and flew into ground on his 180? Rotor was found 100 yards beyond crash site so they determined he was moving forward at a decent clip?

Maybe everyone on board never knew what hit them?

 

[4651feeder]

[video=youtube_share;28QYy8lrww8]https://youtu.be/28QYy8lrww8[/video]


This eye witness account is surprisingly articulate and informative.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Well, there are sports heroes. So, yes.

Are there?

 

[Trigger Time]

They just had a press conference. I only caught the end of it.

Looks like the pilot was likely turning to return and flew into ground on his 180? Rotor was found 100 yards beyond crash site so they determined he was moving forward at a decent clip?

Maybe everyone on board never knew what hit them?

Thats the only good in this tragedy then. Over instantly. No suffering for the victims.
Looking more like pilot error here. So many conflicting stories you hear.

 

[hoosierdoc]

I had heard he was descending at 4000 ft/min and going 186mph just before impact

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I'm hearing this was not due to the fog initially but there was some sort of mechanical issue that caused this and then they inpacted at around 1700 ft. He was in radio contact. So this should be a quick investigation.
Terrible.

Consider all of that hearsay. Nothing is fact until the investigation is complete. No one wants to see little kids meet this fate especially.
Also no matter what your views are on Kobe Bryant's personal mistakes, he and his wife both chose to move forward together and continue their marriage. We are not in a position to judge them. Looks like they had a super happy and loving family, and the survivors are in deep pain. it is completely classless and cruel to bring up past marital indiscretions online after a man dies along with his teen daughter. Rediculous.
Discuss what you like among yourself amongst friends in private but online, come on we are better than this. This man was not a politician that hurt any of us. He was an entertainer. He WAS one of the greatest athletes in history. His memory deserves some respect. And his grieving family certainly does.
And I am not a basketball fan.

Not to single out TT, I could have quoted any number of posts here, but i disagree.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of all of those lost in the helicopter crash, including Kobe's family... but not to him, himself.

The fact that he was one of the basketball GOATs, for me, does not overcome the fact that, IMO, the evidence showed beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a rapist. And that he got away with it by attacking his victim with his legal team, and then paying her off, to make it go away, so he could become one of those GOATs.

Should this be thrown in the face of his grieving family? No, absolutely not. Should it be "erased" from his legacy because of his accomplishments on the court and because he died a tragic death? IMO, again, no absolutely not. To include mention of this episode as an "accusation" is the gentlest way of including it in the summation of the man.

So, while I'm sure it is my own character flaw to not be able to forgive and forget in this instance - I cannot.

And, while I have sincere condolences for all who lost loved ones in that tragic helicopter crash... I do not wish Kobe to RIP... quite the opposite. I wish for him what I would wish for any other rapist once they depart, and peace ain't it.

 

[HoughMade]

I had heard he was descending at 4000 ft/min and going 186mph just before impact

That's higher than the maximum speed of the most recent S-76.

 

[Snapdragon]

Not to single out TT, I could have quoted any number of posts here, but i disagree.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of all of those lost in the helicopter crash, including Kobe's family... but not to him, himself.

The fact that he was one of the basketball GOATs, for me, does not overcome the fact that, IMO, the evidence showed beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a rapist. And that he got away with it by attacking his victim with his legal team, and then paying her off, to make it go away, so he could become one of those GOATs.

Should this be thrown in the face of his grieving family? No, absolutely not. Should it be "erased" from his legacy because of his accomplishments on the court and because he died a tragic death? IMO, again, no absolutely not. To include mention of this episode as an "accusation" is the gentlest way of including it in the summation of the man.

So, while I'm sure it is my own character flaw to not be able to forgive and forget in this instance - I cannot.

And, while I have sincere condolences for all who lost loved ones in that tragic helicopter crash... I do not wish Kobe to RIP... quite the opposite. I wish for him what I would wish for any other rapist once they depart, and peace ain't it.

Agreed. Rep inbound.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Not to single out TT, I could have quoted any number of posts here, but i disagree.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of all of those lost in the helicopter crash, including Kobe's family... but not to him, himself.

The fact that he was one of the basketball GOATs, for me, does not overcome the fact that, IMO, the evidence showed beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a rapist. And that he got away with it by attacking his victim with his legal team, and then paying her off, to make it go away, so he could become one of those GOATs.

Should this be thrown in the face of his grieving family? No, absolutely not. Should it be "erased" from his legacy because of his accomplishments on the court and because he died a tragic death? IMO, again, no absolutely not. To include mention of this episode as an "accusation" is the gentlest way of including it in the summation of the man.

So, while I'm sure it is my own character flaw to not be able to forgive and forget in this instance - I cannot.

And, while I have sincere condolences for all who lost loved ones in that tragic helicopter crash... I do not wish Kobe to RIP... quite the opposite. I wish for him what I would wish for any other rapist once they depart, and peace ain't it.

Yikes

 

[Kutnupe14]

Not to single out TT, I could have quoted any number of posts here, but i disagree.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of all of those lost in the helicopter crash, including Kobe's family... but not to him, himself.

The fact that he was one of the basketball GOATs, for me, does not overcome the fact that, IMO, the evidence showed beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a rapist. And that he got away with it by attacking his victim with his legal team, and then paying her off, to make it go away, so he could become one of those GOATs.

Should this be thrown in the face of his grieving family? No, absolutely not. Should it be "erased" from his legacy because of his accomplishments on the court and because he died a tragic death? IMO, again, no absolutely not. To include mention of this episode as an "accusation" is the gentlest way of including it in the summation of the man.

So, while I'm sure it is my own character flaw to not be able to forgive and forget in this instance - I cannot.

And, while I have sincere condolences for all who lost loved ones in that tragic helicopter crash... I do not wish Kobe to RIP... quite the opposite. I wish for him what I would wish for any other rapist once they depart, and peace ain't it.

I don't know if Kobe raped her of not, but IMO, the evidence does not show beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt. The accuser would not testify in the only arena where Bryant could defend himself, and the charges were dropped.... but she had no problems riding out the civil suit, for a tidy sum. Between the drugs she was taking for mental issues, her sexual history, unwillingness to testify, and subsequent payday, I think one could find some doubt there. Kobe may have certainly done it, but IMO there was enough to cast doubt. It IS fair, however, to place that as an asterisk next to his history.

 

[Route 45]

Not to single out TT, I could have quoted any number of posts here, but i disagree.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of all of those lost in the helicopter crash, including Kobe's family... but not to him, himself.

The fact that he was one of the basketball GOATs, for me, does not overcome the fact that, IMO, the evidence showed beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a rapist. And that he got away with it by attacking his victim with his legal team, and then paying her off, to make it go away, so he could become one of those GOATs.

Should this be thrown in the face of his grieving family? No, absolutely not. Should it be "erased" from his legacy because of his accomplishments on the court and because he died a tragic death? IMO, again, no absolutely not. To include mention of this episode as an "accusation" is the gentlest way of including it in the summation of the man.

So, while I'm sure it is my own character flaw to not be able to forgive and forget in this instance - I cannot.

And, while I have sincere condolences for all who lost loved ones in that tragic helicopter crash... I do not wish Kobe to RIP... quite the opposite. I wish for him what I would wish for any other rapist once they depart, and peace ain't it.

I've always wondered what your savior thinks of people who wish eternal fire on others.

 

[HoughMade]

I've always wondered what your savior thinks of people who wish eternal fire on others.

I don't wonder. It's pretty clear.

...and why does some random guy in Indiana feel like he has forgiveness to give anyway. This was between Kobe, his wife, the woman and maybe the people of Colorado....and all of them have moved past it.

I'll make no judgment on the man because it is not my place to do so.

 

[White Squirrel]

I don't wonder. It's pretty clear.

...and why does some random guy in Indiana feel like he has forgiveness to give anyway. This was between Kobe, his wife, the woman and maybe the people of Colorado....and all of them have moved past it.

I'll make no judgment on the man because it is not my place to do so.

Agree 100% and for that reason while I won't condemn him, I also will not elevate him to sainthood as the media and many others have done. He was a gifted basketball talent, that much is obvious. Beyond that, not much I can say good or bad.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I've always wondered what your savior thinks of people who wish eternal fire on others.

That it's uncharitable and unchristian... which I concede is my own character flaw, even if I reserve those wishes for those who do monstrous things.

And, for me, rape is one of those things... no matter how many baskets you make on the court.

I don't wonder. It's pretty clear.

...and why does some random guy in Indiana feel like he has forgiveness to give anyway. This was between Kobe, his wife, the woman and maybe the people of Colorado....and all of them have moved past it.

I'll make no judgment on the man because it is not my place to do so.

It is a thing... a WaPo reporter even got fired, then re-instated, for even daring to mention that this happened during of the hagiography of Kobe.

 

[Trigger Time]

Not to single out TT, I could have quoted any number of posts here, but i disagree.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of all of those lost in the helicopter crash, including Kobe's family... but not to him, himself.

The fact that he was one of the basketball GOATs, for me, does not overcome the fact that, IMO, the evidence showed beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a rapist. And that he got away with it by attacking his victim with his legal team, and then paying her off, to make it go away, so he could become one of those GOATs.

Should this be thrown in the face of his grieving family? No, absolutely not. Should it be "erased" from his legacy because of his accomplishments on the court and because he died a tragic death? IMO, again, no absolutely not. To include mention of this episode as an "accusation" is the gentlest way of including it in the summation of the man.

So, while I'm sure it is my own character flaw to not be able to forgive and forget in this instance - I cannot.

And, while I have sincere condolences for all who lost loved ones in that tragic helicopter crash... I do not wish Kobe to RIP... quite the opposite. I wish for him what I would wish for any other rapist once they depart, and peace ain't it.

Its ok to disagree. But i dont think the evidence was overwhelming or else he would have been convicted.
I never believed her story of rape at the time and I still dont.
The problem with these accusers is even if they are proven false the person accused is forever tarnished because of the world we live in.
Not convicted, not a rapist, period.
A settlement isn't an admittance of guilt of a crime. He wanted to move on and I believe she got what she was out for all along.

I wish I was as perfect as the rest of all these people talking smack anout kobe and everyone else that screws up in their lives.

I would never defend a true rapist but unless you know for certain that someone is guilty of that and they have been found to be so by a jury then you cannot call them a rapist.

 

[HoughMade]

This whole thing has been interesting to watch unfold.

Leaving aside friends and family, because that is obvious, it makes sense that people who were his fans would have a reaction. I get it. When Walter Payton died, it was a big deal in this area, but not this big a deal...but there was no real social media back then.

Ah yes, social media. The out-sized reaction that generic members of the public have had to this death would be unbelievable...if we had not seen disproportional reactions to such minor events as a lion being shot by a dentist.

But as one of my favorite social commentators says, "all roads lead to narcissism."

Crowds in the streets, tweets, posts, tributes, "I am now part of this great tragedy everyone is talking about." "I am part of the story." The bigger Kobe is built up to be, the bigger I am because I am affected." Never mind that none of you thought about Kobe in the many months before this.

Then, the anti-narcissism, narcissism: "I can't believe people going over the top." "He's no hero." Heck, I'm engaging in that a bit myself.

And the weird moralizing narcissism: "The other people who died are just as important as Kobe." Sure, to their circles, but no one knew them, so talking about Kobe rather than them is not a slight. It's just a logical acknowledgement that there was ONE famous person involved.

It's fascinating, I tell you.

 

[Snapdragon]

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[Trigger Time]

As a victim of both sexual abuse and rape, if you're looking for someone to give an accused rapist the benefit of the doubt, don't look at me. If that makes me less than perfect in Trigger Time's perfect world, I can deal with that.

Im simply saying that anyone can be falsely accused and if they are falsely accused then they are also a victim.
I am in no way trying to justify or take away from an experience that you should have never have had to go through snapdragon or any other victim of rape or sexual abuse.
But just because someone said someone did something to them doesn't mean its true. Also my point is that no one is perfect and without their own mistakes in life. And my world is certainly not perfect and never claimed it to be. Just because I call for fairness you dont have to be snarky towards me snap.
was not a fan of kobe bryant, I just didn't follow him. I was just aware of him. I don't follow basketball. As a recreational pilot im more interested in the crash aspects of this.