Coronovirus III

[nonobaddog]

Yes. How nursing homes didn't implement strict isolation/quarantine controls (including for the healthcare workers there) completely escapes me.

And then there were the (mostly democrat) Governors who issued virtual death warrants by forcing nursing homes to take in COVID-positive/symptomatic residents/patients.

Exactly! Instead of doing anything to help they did exactly the opposite. They could not have done a worse job even if they were trying to.

 

[Alpo]

It starts with the president, boys. At a certain point, the buck stops. And, as Harry said, it's in the Oval Office.

The hmfwic and no ****ing clue.

 

[HoughMade]

It starts with the president, boys. At a certain point, the buck stops. And, as Harry said, it's in the Oval Office.

The hmfwic and no ****ing clue.

While I agree with you 100% conceptually, given our federal system, when states issue various orders for themselves which may or may not agree with CDC or other federal recommendations, or even go beyond them, the buck stops in the state. No matter what Trump says, HE and the feds cannot issue nationwide emergency orders of the type that the governors have.

...but as to most governors, while I may agree or disagree with the specifics of what they have done, I realize that they are in a really tough situation and I am not going to "cheap seats" them unless the decisions is just obviously, horribly wrong.

 

[raider600]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1259966016009973765

Woh, total snowflake moment by trump.

 

[drillsgt]

To be fair....to ask a governor to know epidemiology when so much disinformation is coming from Federal levels of expected competency....is, perhaps, a bit much.

And the "democrat" is just ****ing gratuitous.

I'm sure every Governor has access to expert epidemiologists, you don't need to rely on DC for that, in fact those in DC were the ones probably not good enough to get hired by a University.

 

[HoughMade]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1259966016009973765

Woh, total snowflake moment by trump.

That's how you read that?

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm sure every Governor has access to expert epidemiologists, you don't need to rely on DC for that, in fact those in DC were the ones probably not good enough to get hired by a University.

I thought we hated universities because they're dens of liberalism?

 

[Doug]

The TDS is getting deep.

 

[foszoe]

Haven't seen anyone make that claim here yet...I like your avatar though. Looks calm and powerful. Reminds me of a great leader.

The TDS is getting deep.

 

[HoughMade]

I thought we hated universities because they're dens of liberalism?

Even INGO is more nuanced than that. We're fine with the hard sciences.

 

[printcraft]

That's how you read that?

He gets told what to think of these nuggets elsewhere and drops them over here to stir the pot. Not much original thought.

 

[nonobaddog]

He gets told what to think of these nuggets elsewhere and drops them over here to stir the pot. Not much original thought.

Somebody has to tell him.

You changed your avatar! I kind of liked the old one too.

 

[foszoe]

He's probably going to become more centrist in his posts now.

Somebody has to tell him.

You changed your avatar! I kind of liked the old one too.

 

[Alpo]

I'm sure every Governor has access to expert epidemiologists, you don't need to rely on DC for that, in fact those in DC were the ones probably not good enough to get hired by a University.

Then we don't have a need for a national disease bureaucracy. Or FEMA. Or the FBI. The governors can figure it out.

 

[chipbennett]

And the "democrat" is just ****ing gratuitous.

Check the state-by-state % deaths in nursing homes, the states that had governors force COVID patients into nursing homes, and then get back to me.

 

[chipbennett]

Could we provide evidence for causation within an acceptable confidence interval according to standard testing procedures?

Do you have well-enough controlled areas that implement different policies, to be able to analyze the variance? That's the hard part: there are often too many variables to try to control, and even quite a bit of overlap of impact of competing policies (the "Chicago gun crimes are caused by Indiana guns" canard).

 

[chipbennett]

I haven't seen the evidence to support that. Certainly in the case of Cuomo it was well publicized.

New York and Pennsylvania are the ones that stood out most immediately to me. I could probably find the numbers again, but it would require more digging than I have the time to do right now. (Originally sourced on Twitter, cited from a GoogleDoc someone was maintaining, if you want to try to find the original data.)

 

[T.Lex]

It starts with the president, boys. At a certain point, the buck stops. And, as Harry said, it's in the Oval Office.

The hmfwic and no ****ing clue.

Well, to use your post to address another issue, "the country" didn't "shut down." Each individual governor had to make that decision. They all agreed, to one level or another.

Yeah, that's a halfhearted defense of Trump.

 

[Alpo]

Check the state-by-state % deaths in nursing homes, the states that had governors force COVID patients into nursing homes, and then get back to me.

Correlation is not causation, amigo. You're fond of saying it.

There was no/limited national guidance....and what was given was junk science and modeling. Demographics of large population centers and minorities happen to be coincident. You're telling me a republican governor could do better when the man in the White House doesn't know **** from shinola?

C'mon.

Doesn't wash. There will be a lot of time to dissect who knew what, when. And the GOP is gonna be awful stinky on that subject.

And let's face it, the Peanut Gallery on INGO calls most GOP governors "RINOs".

I certainly don't look to them for savvy political commentary.

Trump spent in one day what we spent on the entire Iraq War. At least there are no spent uranium bullets in the hillside of the Ohio River Valley, so I guess, there's that.

 

[T.Lex]

Do you have well-enough controlled areas that implement different policies, to be able to analyze the variance? That's the hard part: there are often too many variables to try to control, and even quite a bit of overlap of impact of competing policies (the "Chicago gun crimes are caused by Indiana guns" canard).

But wait, there's more!

We also don't know what impact more limited measures would've had on the economy, including consumer reaction. Anything - and I do mean anything - other than what the governors did also ran the risk of uncontrolled body count AND devastating economic impact. Control the former and the latter is easier.

Controlled avalanches are better than uncontrolled.