Colorado Ends Qualified Immunity for Police

[Tombs]

They will be talking out of both sides of their mouth regardless.
"You abandoned us, you don't care."
"You are here arresting people, you racists."

Same with:
"White flight is causing a degradation of the community."
"Whites moving in is causing gentrification."

**** off already.

Should just abandon them completely and let them sort it out.
Contain the situation with a wall of security.

The gloves really need to come off before we end up losing our country to communist revolutionaries.

 

[2A_Tom]

Yeah we need no go zones like they have in Europe.

Oh, I forgot Seatle.

 

[Denny347]

I'm sure it can all be justified, Phylo.

The problem is perception. And LEO's have a losing PR battle right now. So, tamping down the paramilitary cosplay would be a good thing.

Doesn't bother me that a large city has a SWAT team dressed this way. But.....there is too much "every problem is a nail to a hammer" perception.

Decriminalize ALL drugs, end the "War on Drugs" and you will eliminate the NEED for most SWAT operations and no knock warrants. Until then, we are debating band-aid placement rather than wound healing.

 

[2A_Tom]

Decriminalize ALL drugs, end the "War on Drugs" and you will eliminate the NEED for most SWAT operations and no knock warrants. Until then, we are debating band-aid placement rather than wound healing.

And eliminate the despensing of narcon and the problem will solve itself.

 

[rvb]

Decriminalize ALL drugs, end the "War on Drugs" and you will eliminate the NEED for most SWAT operations and no knock warrants. Until then, we are debating band-aid placement rather than wound healing.

yes.
the way to reduce police interactions is to reduce the number of unnecessary regulations. “War on drugs” has failed. After 40 years + it is time to try a different approach. Drugs are the reasons for most of these terry stops, etc. Not to mention the reason behind much gangland violence and turf battles. We failed to learn the lessons of the failed prohibition on alcohol; crime dropped significantly after it was repealed.

 

[two70]

It amazes me that so many people can seemingly recognize the danger and destruction often caused by kids with overly permissive parents who fail to enforce boundaries and instill a respect for authority, yet, turn around and with all serious, suggest that we be more permissive and quit enforcing boundaries with criminals.

Do people really think that criminals will bother to go through all of the permitting, licensing and pay the taxes that the government comes up with when drugs are legalized instead of continuing to sell illegally? Or perhaps the naivety runs so deep as to believe that the government will not create permits, licenses and require taxes on legal drug dealers?

 

[Route 45]

It amazes me that so many people can seemingly recognize the danger and destruction often caused by kids with overly permissive parents who fail to enforce boundaries and instill a respect for authority, yet, turn around and with all serious, suggest that we be more permissive and quit enforcing boundaries with criminals.

Do people really think that criminals will bother to go through all of the permitting, licensing and pay the taxes that the government comes up with when drugs are legalized instead of continuing to sell illegally? Or perhaps the naivety runs so deep as to believe that the government will not create permits, licenses and require taxes on legal drug dealers?

How large of a problem are illegal moonshine stills?

 

[rvb]

It amazes me that so many people can seemingly recognize the danger and destruction often caused by kids with overly permissive parents who fail to enforce boundaries and instill a respect for authority, yet, turn around and with all serious, suggest that we be more permissive and quit enforcing boundaries with criminals.

Do people really think that criminals will bother to go through all of the permitting, licensing and pay the taxes that the government comes up with when drugs are legalized instead of continuing to sell illegally? Or perhaps the naivety runs so deep as to believe that the government will not create permits, licenses and require taxes on legal drug dealers?

people are jumping through those hoops TODAY with legalization of weed around the country.

insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe another 40 years will have better results?

if parents aren’t going to parent, it doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not... And nothing says you couldn’t have an age limit, just like booze.

-rvb

 

[tsm]

Good answer. And when currently illegal drugs can be purchased for pennies on the dollar (compared to now), there will be much less incentive for the criminal drug traders.

 

[2A_Tom]

REFORM IS NEEDED!
​

We need reform, but why are we talking about Government easing up?

Where reform is needed is in the populace. It will not happen, it will only get worse as we legalize all drugs, stop policing and keep telling kids they are special and not teaching them how to act. It is parenting that needs to reform. The only way the Government needs to be reformed is to force people to get off assistance. Yeah, that will happen!

THE FAMILY IS WHAT NEEDS REFORMED!​

Even so, COME LORD JESUS!

 

[jamil]

How large of a problem are illegal moonshine stills?

Well, there are still some dry counties in Kentucky, so...

 

[Leadeye]

How large of a problem are illegal moonshine stills?

Speaking from my hillbilly roots, not much, but they will still prosecute you for distillation if they catch you.

Today there's a lot more money in the drug business than the illegal liquor business and less of a physical footprint.

100 years ago people like my neighbor would have been making moonshine, today he sells drugs.

 

[Tombs]

Ending the drug war would be great. Even better would be easy access so all of the addicts off themselves and leave the rest of society to go back to normal.

I just feel sorry for the hospital staff and EMS workers that will inevitably have to clean up the mess that results.

 

[rvb]

We should learn from 1) failure of prohibition and 2) success of the anti-smoking campaign. We need to end the “war on drugs,” but adopt the anti-smoking ideas of not allowing marketing towards minors, education of side effects (which we do a poor job of now), etc. Smoking has been virtually eliminated w.o banning it. There are lessons to be learned there.

-rvb

 

[Hohn]

We should learn from 1) failure of prohibition and 2) success of the anti-smoking campaign. We need to end the “war on drugs,” but adopt the anti-smoking ideas of not allowing marketing towards minors, education of side effects (which we do a poor job of now), etc. Smoking has been virtually eliminated w.o banning it. There are lessons to be learned there.

-rvb

Indeed. Smoking is such a taboo now that a TV show will be dinged in its rating for "tobacco depictions"-- like it's right up there with sex and gore.

 

[jamil]

We should learn from 1) failure of prohibition and 2) success of the anti-smoking campaign. We need to end the “war on drugs,” but adopt the anti-smoking ideas of not allowing marketing towards minors, education of side effects (which we do a poor job of now), etc. Smoking has been virtually eliminated w.o banning it. There are lessons to be learned there.

-rvb

Certainly it's less favorable now. But it HAS been banned in many public places. And it's not virtually eliminated. A lot of people smoke still. I say this as a former smoker 20 years clean.

 

[rvb]

Certainly it's less favorable now. But it HAS been banned in many public places. And it's not virtually eliminated. A lot of people smoke still. I say this as a former smoker 20 years clean.

USE has been banned in certain Public places, but you can BUY it about anywhere...

and there are still users, but use is WAY down. .... a former smoker like yourself surely sees that??
and if you look at the use in young folks Currently, it will hopefully be almost nonexistent in a few years.

https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-tobacco-trends

 

[2A_Tom]

Unicorns and rainbows...

 

[jamil]

USE has been banned in certain Public places, but you can BUY it about anywhere...

and there are still users, but use is WAY down. .... a former smoker like yourself surely sees that??
and if you look at the use in young folks Currently, it will hopefully be almost nonexistent in a few years.

https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-tobacco-trends

Let’s keep it constrained to what I said. It’s not virtually eliminated. You just said you can still buy them anywhere. My objection wasn’t “It’s way down”: I agree with that. And it IS banned in many public places. I didn’t say the sales was banned. I just said they were banned in public places, implying that the use is banned.

 

[04FXSTS]

Good answer. And when currently illegal drugs can be purchased for pennies on the dollar (compared to now), there will be much less incentive for the criminal drug traders.

It does seem like it would work that way but not over in illinois. Now that pot is legal the government can now tax it and no where are taxes loved more than in illinois. From what I have read all the pot dealers will stay in business because the legal stuff is about double the street price. Jim.