CHOICES for individual health, not mandates -Masks, overreach protest

[phylodog]

I suspect that if the government agencies and media could be trusted to report the truth we might all be in an entirely different state of mind. Unfortunately they’ve all proven that they’re incapable of actually looking out for everyone’s health, they’re too busy playing politics.

I know the threat from criminals exists and therefore I carry. Can’t say the same for this “pandemic”.

Seems to me that if the threat were real we wouldn’t be seeing the amount of contradictory information nor the steady rate of “oops, we were wrong about that”s going around. The fact that COVID exists seems to be about the only thing the “experts” can agree on. It ain’t the bubonic plague wiping out millions of people with no chance of survival/recovery yet CNN sure doesn’t have any problem chirping about it 24 hours a day.

 

[jamil]

I get where you're coming from but I think that's what's making everything trickier right now. Everyone feels safe until they aren't. Sounds like you're in a place with few or no infections (most of us I'm guessing) so that's definitely a blessing. The problem is people still travel from all over the country and all it's takes is one infected person to start an outbreak.

The percentage doesn't matter as long as it's above zero. It's just a numbers game.

People wear cloth masks because of the early shortage of N95 masks. I have no idea where the supply stands right now or what the cost is per mask. I always have a few in my car because my wife is a nurse.

I'm not wearing an N95 mask. I can't ****ing breathe through those ***damn things.

 

[Rookie]

I'm not wearing an N95 mask. I can't ****ing breathe through those ***damn things.

You want to breathe? That's selfish.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

When I look at the likelihood of being in a situation that demands an armed response and realize that so many of the same people who always carry think the risk reduction from a mask is not significant enough to inconvenience them...

Well, you get the picture.

I guess the part that confuses me a little is that so many of these same people would have no issue putting themselves in danger of violence to help another person, yet....

Anyhoo, in some places if they had a "No Mask" mandate, we may see 100% noncompliance...

Context matter of course but generally speaking, I’d be in compliance.

 

[phylodog]

Has anyone identified a motivation for those of us who question the validity of what the media, WHO or CDC have been saying? Honest question, I know I don’t want to see people die from disease simply for my entertainment. I’m also not one to automatically assume that anything coming from the government is wrong and should be resisted.

So why is there contradictory information seemingly everywhere and what criteria are people supposed to use to determine who actually has our best interests at heart? When I take an objective look at the current situation I find very little from anywhere which inspires confidence or motivates me to put any faith in what the talking heads are saying. I know people who have had it and recovered just fine. That’s the only factual information I currently have.

 

[BugI02]

It seems to be a tie between we're selfishly stupid or we're stupidly selfish

 

[phylodog]

It seems to be a tie between we're selfishly stupid or we're stupidly selfish

That certainly seems to be the opinion of many, I’m just not sure what criteria actually makes me wrong.

 

[HoughMade]

So if there is contradictory information everywhere, and there seems to be, why isn't the default to err on the side of caution until more is known?

...and there really is no good information tha masking up is harmful to the vast majority of people, just conflicting information about how helpful, if at all, it is?

The whole "prove to me it will help before I do anything" makes no sense to me.

 

[phylodog]

The whole "believe anything they say because reasons" makes no sense to me. I consider myself a reasonable person but this is in no way a reasonable situation. If anyone in the positions of influence and/or authority actually gave a **** about you or I there wouldn't be so much contradictory information out there.

 

[JettaKnight]

The whole "believe anything they say because reasons" makes no sense to me. I consider myself a reasonable person but this is in no way a reasonable situation. If anyone in the positions of influence and/or authority actually gave a **** about you or I there wouldn't be so much contradictory information out there.

This is pretty much life as we know it, and looking back, as everyone knew - contradictory information. pick any topic of consequence and look at the all the contradictory information.

Cholesterol?
Climate Change?
Guns?
Elections?
Vaccines... terrorist... lead in water...
God... The Hun... British Colonies...

The list goes on, and on, and on...

 

[phylodog]

None of those are compelling me to live in fear and wear a mask everywhere I go. I don't recall CNN or anyone else spending this much energy trying to scare people like they are with this.

I'm sorry but my suspicion is firing on all cylinders and it's very, very rarely failed me. There is too much going on here, we are absolutely not being told the truth. I wish I could say that the truth will eventually come out but that stopped happening about 20 years ago.

 

[phylodog]

I'll put an example out there of why my suspicions are way up. Open your web browser and type in the following from the Google home page: "_______ new cases", in the blank put any number you choose and hit enter. You'll find a news story with that specific number of new Corona cases. Doesn't matter what the number is (within reason, obviously 300 million is gonna be a hard sell). Now go back and change the number and do it again. And again. And again. 9 out of 10 times there are news stories with the specific number in them.

That strikes me as peculiar and quite literally impossible to actually be occurring.

I also know two people who had relatives pass away and their deaths attributed to COVID in spite of the fact that they were near death long before COVID existed. There's some fishy stuff going on.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

None of those are compelling me to live in fear and wear a mask everywhere I go. I don't recall CNN or anyone else spending this much energy trying to scare people like they are with this.

I'm sorry but my suspicion is firing on all cylinders and it's very, very rarely failed me. There is too much going on here, we are absolutely not being told the truth. I wish I could say that the truth will eventually come out but that stopped happening about 20 years ago.

Yep. As I mentioned in one of the other threads we have going on on this topic, any time I see the “science is settled” or “the conventional wisdom” coalescing around agreement that tends to give the government more power and the leeway to lord it over folks that don’t get on the “right side”, it’s time for your suspicion radar to go on high alert. I don’t see why this isn’t one of those times.

 

[Dulla]

Yep. As I mentioned in one of the other threads we have going on on this topic, any time I see the “science is settled” or “the conventional wisdom” coalescing around agreement that tends to give the government more power and the leeway to lord it over folks that don’t get on the “right side”, it’s time for your suspicion radar to go on high alert. I don’t see why this isn’t one of those times.

I'm not sure how voluntarily wearing a mask gives the government more power. Mandates, yes, but we're talking about two entirely different things if that's what you're referring to. I don't remember seeing any posts in this thread supporting mandated face masks which I'm 100% against.

*edit - Actually scratch that last sentence. I do see some comparisons to seat belt laws which I'm also against.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'm not sure how voluntarily wearing a mask gives the government more power. Mandates, yes, but we're talking about two entirely different things if that's what you're referring to. I don't remember seeing any posts in this thread supporting mandated face masks which I'm 100% against.

*edit - Actually scratch that last sentence. I do see some comparisons to seat belt laws which I'm also against.

I’m not necessarily talking about only the conversations here on this forum. In other places there are plenty of demands that they be made mandatory.

 

[HoughMade]

None of those are compelling me to live in fear and wear a mask everywhere I go...

Do you see wearing a mask as a sign of being fearful? If so, I guess I'm starting to understand the push-back.

I don't see carrying a gun as a sign of fearfulness, but I guess I have to reconsider.

 

[Mgderf]

None of those are compelling me to live in fear and wear a mask everywhere I go. I don't recall CNN or anyone else spending this much energy trying to scare people like they are with this.

I'm sorry but my suspicion is firing on all cylinders and it's very, very rarely failed me. There is too much going on here, we are absolutely not being told the truth. I wish I could say that the truth will eventually come out but that stopped happening about 20 years ago.

^This,
and,
"Your fears don't trump my rights".

 

[HoughMade]

I get it. Your enemy takes one side on an issue, you take the other.

 

[jamil]

Has anyone identified a motivation for those of us who question the validity of what the media, WHO or CDC have been saying? Honest question, I know I don’t want to see people die from disease simply for my entertainment. I’m also not one to automatically assume that anything coming from the government is wrong and should be resisted.

So why is there contradictory information seemingly everywhere and what criteria are people supposed to use to determine who actually has our best interests at heart? When I take an objective look at the current situation I find very little from anywhere which inspires confidence or motivates me to put any faith in what the talking heads are saying. I know people who have had it and recovered just fine. That’s the only factual information I currently have.

Yep. Lots of contradictory information. How do we tell when people have our best interests at heart? I'd say if they make a greater good argument, they don't necessarily have YOUR best interests at heart. You're just a bit in a sea of bits, and it's the sea that those people care about, not your bit or my bit.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm not sure how voluntarily wearing a mask gives the government more power. Mandates, yes, but we're talking about two entirely different things if that's what you're referring to. I don't remember seeing any posts in this thread supporting mandated face masks which I'm 100% against.

I'm sure the video posted here explains it all.

I’m not necessarily talking about only the conversations here on this forum. In other places there are plenty of demands that they be made mandatory.

See, it's best to just stick with INGO.