President Trump, First Lady Melania Test Positive for Coronavirus

[NKBJ]

There seems to be some chatter about dexamethasone incapacitating the president and opening the door for a 25th Amendment coup. Oh well, more as the story develops and film at 10 o'clock.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

There seems to be some chatter about dexamethasone incapacitating the president and opening the door for a 25th Amendment coup. Oh well, more as the story develops and film at 10 o'clock.

Why would a steroid anti-inflammatory incapacitate anyone?

 

[jamil]

I assume you have some evidence for this assertion? Or are you merely stating it as an inherent presumption?

Yes.

You haven't been watching much news or twitter have you?

 

[JettaKnight]

Why would a steroid anti-inflammatory incapacitate anyone?

TDS has driven some to grasp at any straw they can.

 

[jamil]

It's actually kind of entertaining. First, there were conspiracies about Trump getting covid. It was both a hoax AND he's on his death bed.

One of the side effects of dexamethasone is trouble thinking, speaking, or walking. But the more likely side effect that's getting everyone in a tizzy is darkening of the skin. See, similar to Sampson Trump gets his great power from his orange skin, as opposed to uncut hair. So they're speculating that when his skin darkens, that would incapacitate him, allowing them to bind him and remove him from office via the 25th amendment.

I mean. They were analyzing the reflections on his desk for proof of a coverup. It could happen.

 

[foszoe]

Whoa! Whether or not it's a standard practice or not, it can still be subjected to a value judgment.

Leaving Trump out of it. Are we now saying we admire folks who declare bankruptcy for doing so? Are we saying that it doesn't change our opinion of them one way or another?

Why are conservatives usually trying to limit bankruptcy filings?

This line of reasoning does not make sense to me. Long before Trump I was raised with a belief that declaring bankruptcy was, in general, indicative of financial mismanagment. I, like Kut, thought it was a conservative principle. If this is a wrong way to thing about bankruptcy then I want the credit card laws changed back to the way they used to be.

Well you must hate a lot of folks my friend. In truth this is pretty much a standard practice among many of the elite business people you just dont see or hear about it. But orange man bad is the deal of the day every day all day 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

 

[foszoe]

He caught it, he was treated for it, and he overcame it. His experience with it in no way contradicts anything he said about it prior to when he caught it.

Overcame? that seems a little presumptuous why not is (hopefully) overcoming it. I don't trust the news on any of this stuff and that includes glowing reports from the white house just as much as the gloom and doom from the MSM.

One thing that irritated me about the MSM....

Every report seemed to end with 200k deaths, the fact that Trump didn't mention those deaths and distortions of what Trump said about the disease like he wasn't taking it seriously enough.

 

[HoughMade]

I have not yet received an answer to my question: "If you don't like had Trump has handled the COVID, what additional steps was he supposed to take"?

 

[Alpo]

I read an interesting article the other day where Trump's activities re; Covid were compared with a more stereotypical president. As to 'real' differences, there were few. Where Trump losers points is acting as if he knows and understands more than he does. Once again, his effusiveness does not serve him well. He should STFU...but we know that his personality disorder won't allow that.

 

[HoughMade]

I read an interesting article the other day where Trump's activities re; Covid were compared with a more stereotypical president. As to 'real' differences, there were few. Where Trump losers points is acting as if he knows and understands more than he does. Once again, his effusiveness does not serve him well. He should STFU...but we know that his personality disorder won't allow that.

I am not going to disagree with that...

...but I was looking for concrete steps that actually could have made a difference...in anything​ of consequence in this mess.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I have not yet received an answer to my question: "If you don't like had Trump has handled the COVID, what additional steps was he supposed to take"?

I have asked this very question multiple times on this forum and have yet to receive a response.

 

[Ingomike]

Whoa! Whether or not it's a standard practice or not, it can still be subjected to a value judgment.

Leaving Trump out of it. Are we now saying we admire folks who declare bankruptcy for doing so? Are we saying that it doesn't change our opinion of them one way or another?

Why are conservatives usually trying to limit bankruptcy filings?

This line of reasoning does not make sense to me. Long before Trump I was raised with a belief that declaring bankruptcy was, in general, indicative of financial mismanagment. I, like Kut, thought it was a conservative principle. If this is a wrong way to thing about bankruptcy then I want the credit card laws changed back to the way they used to be.

Bankruptcy does not change my opinion of people at all. The old thinking of my fathers generation is just that, old and outdated. So many acceptable reasons to be more forgiving today than in my fathers era. There is just so much beyond the people's control.

In 1977 a friend has a serious accident and needs high level orthopedic surgery, they had no insurance at that time, it cost just $800 for hospital, doctors, and all the rest. It saved his limb. Adjusted for inflation that $800 is about $2500 today, that surgery would cost $60,000 today. His family scraped and paid the $800, but to try and pay the $60,000 today? I would not look down on folks so situated filing bankruptcy.

A young couple buys a new construction house in 2006, with an FHA loan, just like huge majorities of us have for decades to get their first home. Then, due to Wall Street shenanigans the economy goes belly up, one of them loses their job, but so did many in their neighborhood, so home values are down and they have to declare bankruptcy. You looking down at them?

Unfortunately top level real estate is a very volatile business, and the fortunes can change through no negligence on the part of the developer. They are at a ridiculous level of dependance on politicians approval, and long term economic conditions. Any of that goes bad, and bingo a project goes bankrupt. Now get out of your head that bankrupt is bailing because in many cases it is not. It is a reorganization to give the developers time to get back on track. (I know nothing of Trump particulars.)

What standard should we hold you to? Let he without sin cast the first stone...

 

[Alpo]

He did the right thing with the $2 trillion.

I also believe that Covid hospitalization (assuming some minimum authorization) and Covid tests should not be charged to the individuals.

There are always missteps in a crisis as large as this one. Saying less day to day and keeping off of Twitter would have served him well.

 

[chipbennett]

Yes.

You haven't been watching much news or twitter have you?

The news and Twitter? I thought you said you have evidence.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Bankruptcy does not change my opinion of people at all. The old thinking of my fathers generation is just that, old and outdated. So many acceptable reasons to be more forgiving today than in my fathers era. There is just so much beyond the people's control.

In 1977 a friend has a serious accident and needs high level orthopedic surgery, they had no insurance at that time, it cost just $800 for hospital, doctors, and all the rest. It saved his limb. Adjusted for inflation that $800 is about $2500 today, that surgery would cost $60,000 today. His family scraped and paid the $800, but to try and pay the $60,000 today? I would not look down on folks so situated filing bankruptcy.

A young couple buys a new construction house in 2006, with an FHA loan, just like huge majorities of us have for decades to get their first home. Then, due to Wall Street shenanigans the economy goes belly up, one of them loses their job, but so did many in their neighborhood, so home values are down and they have to declare bankruptcy. You looking down at them?

Unfortunately top level real estate is a very volatile business, and the fortunes can change through no negligence on the part of the developer. They are at a ridiculous level of dependance on politicians approval, and long term economic conditions. Any of that goes bad, and bingo a project goes bankrupt. Now get out of your head that bankrupt is bailing because in many cases it is not. It is a reorganization to give the developers time to get back on track. (I know nothing of Trump particulars.)

What standard should we hold you to? Let he without sin cast the first stone...

I required a bone marrow transplant last year, and the insurance coverage was extremely iffy. Pretty much you had to have the procedure done and then if they didn't cover it you had to jump through hoops and possibly pay out of pocket. Only estimation the hospital would give is around $500,000. They said just do it, what are they gonna do repo your bone marrow. I'm still dealing with insurance over this.

 

[Tombs]

There seems to be some chatter about dexamethasone incapacitating the president and opening the door for a 25th Amendment coup. Oh well, more as the story develops and film at 10 o'clock.

I don't see the problem with Pence filling in until the president is off heavy medication.

As long as it's a willfully done thing, and not done through law.

Why would a steroid anti-inflammatory incapacitate anyone?

If you have a strong go-getter attitude, it can make you feel on top of the world to a greater degree than even amphetamines.
For your average person it isn't a concern, but Trump's personality is turned to 11, which could cause problems.

 

[Ingomike]

I required a bone marrow transplant last year, and the insurance coverage was extremely iffy. Pretty much you had to have the procedure done and then if they didn't cover it you had to jump through hoops and possibly pay out of pocket. Only estimation the hospital would give is around $500,000. They said just do it, what are they gonna do repo your bone marrow. I'm still dealing with insurance over this.

I wish you a complete recovery and thank you for sharing just how close we all are to the precipice of bankruptcy.

Just another example of a situation beyond control that may result in a bankruptcy. BTW, not condoning bankruptcies as a way of life, just pointing out nuance is required to understand the individual situation...

 

[Jaybird1980]

I wish you a complete recovery and thank you for sharing just how close we all are to the precipice of bankruptcy.

Just another example of a situation beyond control that may result in a bankruptcy. BTW, not condoning bankruptcies as a way of life, just pointing out nuance is required to understand the individual situation...

I fully understand. I was brought up to think that bankruptcy was a disgrace of sorts. Now I fully understand that it can be a requirement.

 

[churchmouse]

Bankruptcy does not change my opinion of people at all. The old thinking of my fathers generation is just that, old and outdated. So many acceptable reasons to be more forgiving today than in my fathers era. There is just so much beyond the people's control.

In 1977 a friend has a serious accident and needs high level orthopedic surgery, they had no insurance at that time, it cost just $800 for hospital, doctors, and all the rest. It saved his limb. Adjusted for inflation that $800 is about $2500 today, that surgery would cost $60,000 today. His family scraped and paid the $800, but to try and pay the $60,000 today? I would not look down on folks so situated filing bankruptcy.

A young couple buys a new construction house in 2006, with an FHA loan, just like huge majorities of us have for decades to get their first home. Then, due to Wall Street shenanigans the economy goes belly up, one of them loses their job, but so did many in their neighborhood, so home values are down and they have to declare bankruptcy. You looking down at them?

Unfortunately top level real estate is a very volatile business, and the fortunes can change through no negligence on the part of the developer. They are at a ridiculous level of dependance on politicians approval, and long term economic conditions. Any of that goes bad, and bingo a project goes bankrupt. Now get out of your head that bankrupt is bailing because in many cases it is not. It is a reorganization to give the developers time to get back on track. (I know nothing of Trump particulars.)

What standard should we hold you to? Let he without sin cast the first stone...

Very well stated.

 

[Tombs]

I fully understand. I was brought up to think that bankruptcy was a disgrace of sorts. Now I fully understand that it can be a requirement.

If **** happens through no fault of your own, bankruptcy is not a disgrace. It's a miracle that we live in such a country as to make it possible to escape such a bad situation.

If you live way beyond your means and fill up 10 credit cards, then bankruptcy is a disgrace.