Coronovirus IV

[jamil]

I like the way you think!

Start with Joe Biden. We need to make sure it’s safe for elderly dementia sufferers.

 

[wagyu52]

[video=youtube_share;0JDU5sTUxic]https://youtu.be/0JDU5sTUxic[/video]

 

[actaeon277]

Not yet. Can I have your guns?

You know how they say, "You can't take it with you"?
Well, I did.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Apparently, COVID isn't aware the election is over. Cases in Indiana continue to spike upwards to new highs.

Hospitalizations continue to rapidly rise with COVID ICU bed usage now at 27.8%, about 1/2 of all not used for other reasons ICU beds.

And, daily COVID deaths continue to rise with individual positivity approaching 20%, currently at 19.2%.

 

[T.Lex]

The ISDH says I can't rep you.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SheepDog4Life again.

 

[BugI02]

Apparently, COVID isn't aware the election is over. Cases in Indiana continue to spike upwards to new highs.

Hospitalizations continue to rapidly rise with COVID ICU bed usage now at 27.8%, about 1/2 of all not used for other reasons ICU beds.

And, daily COVID deaths continue to rise with individual positivity approaching 20%, currently at 19.2%.

So, we've had a state level mask mandate since July 23, we're experiencing a spike in cases by more than 4x in the last 6 weeks, but we have nothing like the death spike you're seeing? So, why is that? Is Indiana doing something majorly wrong? Are Buckeyes just made of sterner stuff? Or could it be the map is not the territory

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[SheepDog4Life]

So, we've had a state level mask mandate since July 23, we're experiencing a spike in cases by more than 4x in the last 6 weeks, but we have nothing like the death spike you're seeing? So, why is that? Is Indiana doing something majorly wrong? Are Buckeyes just made of sterner stuff? Or could it be the map is not the territory

The counties in Indiana experiencing extremely high per capita new case counts are non-urban... where people don't wear masks hardly at all... so your mask mandate point is what? It would work or at least help if people did wear them?

No idea about Ohio nor do I care... I don't live nor travel there... I have recently through Illinois, Missouri and Iowa and saw the same thing. In urban areas, almost universal mask wearing... in non-urban areas, almost universal zero masks. All have state mask "mandates".

What is your point about mask mandates if swathes of the states ignore them? And that's where the preponderance of the spiking, the worst per capita new cases, is occurring... where the people are not wearing masks at all.

 

[BugI02]

The counties in Indiana experiencing extremely high per capita new case counts are non-urban... where people don't wear masks hardly at all... so your mask mandate point is what? It would work or at least help if people did wear them?

[So, you think Ohio is completely urban and doesn't have any rural counties? Try again]

No idea about Ohio nor do I care... I don't live nor travel there... I have recently through Illinois, Missouri and Iowa and saw the same thing. In urban areas, almost universal mask wearing... in non-urban areas, almost universal zero masks. All have state mask "mandates".

[Ohio doesn't fit the preferred narrative so don't care. Got it! Doesn't explain the differences which means your neat explanations for events are anecdotal and not evidence based]

What is your point about mask mandates if swathes of the states ignore them? And that's where the preponderance of the spiking, the worst per capita new cases, is occurring... where the people are not wearing masks at all.

My point is there is obviously some variable to why and how people get infected that is not well understood and masking alone doesn't fit the data. Like 'climate science', it isn't science (or correct) if it can't explain the data and cannot be used to reliably predict future trends, it's just story time

Edit: In answer to your question, there is no point to mask mandates from an epidemiological standpoint. They are the ritual the shaman tells you will protect you from evil spirits

 

[jedi]

Could it be that in urban areas the CV has already killed the majority that it was going to kill thus no more spikes in death as the rest that get it can fight it off.

While in rural areas, ie less dense, it is barely beginning its cycle of killing the weak that it was bound to kill but we have just prolonged.

Unless you get off planet CV is going to get you at some point.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

My point is there is obviously some variable to why and how people get infected that is not well understood and masking alone doesn't fit the data. Like 'climate science', it isn't science (or correct) if it can't explain the data and cannot be used to reliably predict future trends, it's just story time

Edit: In answer to your question, there is no point to mask mandates from an epidemiological standpoint. They are the ritual the shaman tells you will protect you from evil spirits

And in my own observations, on the ground in Indiana, Illinois, Missouri and Iowa, where masks ARE NOT WORN, cases are spiking in the extreme.

And in Indiana that is on top of the Phase 5 trend started in late September when restaurants and bars were allowed to return to full capacity.

If you want to analyze Ohio, then by all means, go ahead... present all the details that state your case and I'll take a look. I've got better things to do than to go off and research whatever the latest "but what about"'s the anti-mask crowd comes up with.

I've made some pretty detailed points about Indiana as well as references to non-urban Illinois, Missouri and Iowa where my observations are the same as Indiana... which you've completely ignored. Urban areas where masks are near universal may be rising, but not surging or spiking, which is the case in non-urban areas where masks are almost zero percent worn.

BTW, Sweden appears to be reporting about 2 weeks in arrears... what was 1-3 deaths per day now appears to be in the low teens for those same dates two weeks ago... so it doesn't appear that their Dec 1 reporting will be accurate until Dec 15th, but they have what appears to be the start of an upward trend, something like a 5-6 fold increase over a 2-3 week period.

 

[dusty88]

The counties in Indiana experiencing extremely high per capita new case counts are non-urban... where people don't wear masks hardly at all... so your mask mandate point is what? It would work or at least help if people did wear them?

No idea about Ohio nor do I care... I don't live nor travel there... I have recently through Illinois, Missouri and Iowa and saw the same thing. In urban areas, almost universal mask wearing... in non-urban areas, almost universal zero masks. All have state mask "mandates".

What is your point about mask mandates if swathes of the states ignore them? And that's where the preponderance of the spiking, the worst per capita new cases, is occurring... where the people are not wearing masks at all.

Sheepdog, I agree we should wear masks and there is evidence it reduces transmission. However, using populations to compare masking data is very difficult. The same people who refuse to wear masks may be the same people who are also gathering indoors, etc.

And then there is the confusion about "why" some certain country or area didn't get a lot of cases.. ..then suddenly did. At least some of that is luck vs bad luck: if they had a superspreader event early in their infection, it takes off. Other places had a superspreader later, and suddenly jumped up when not expected.

 

[dusty88]

Apparently, COVID isn't aware the election is over. Cases in Indiana continue to spike upwards to new highs.

Hospitalizations continue to rapidly rise with COVID ICU bed usage now at 27.8%, about 1/2 of all not used for other reasons ICU beds.

And, daily COVID deaths continue to rise with individual positivity approaching 20%, currently at 19.2%.

I looked at this today, and I am more concerned than I was the day before.

If you know anything about how hospitalizations lag cases, and hospitalizations have already climbed, and cases are practically climbing straight up, it's hard to imagine anything but a very ugly hospital situation or more precisely critical care personnel for (at minimum) weeks.

 

[dusty88]

Could it be that in urban areas the CV has already killed the majority that it was going to kill thus no more spikes in death as the rest that get it can fight it off.

No. based on not only cases but also Indiana's serologic surveys, no area is anywhere near herd immunity

Unless you get off planet CV is going to get you at some point.

Vaccination is starting to look promising. If the Pfizer vaccine is effective, there is a good chance at least one of the others are also. So all we may have to do is avoid exposure for a few more months.

And even if the vaccines don't pan out, this is NOT the time to be going to the hospital for Covid. Fatality rates and comorbidities will go up. They can't provide proper care when they are overworked.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Am I just a cold-hearted SOB because I don't let this virus consume my every waking thought?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I mean, according to Kamala, it's already killed 220 million Americans and it hasn't gotten me yet, so I guess I'm just feeling lucky. Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket!

 

[jedi]

No. based on not only cases but also Indiana's serologic surveys, no area is anywhere near herd immunity


Vaccination is starting to look promising. If the Pfizer vaccine is effective, there is a good chance at least one of the others are also. So all we may have to do is avoid exposure for a few more months.

And even if the vaccines don't pan out, this is NOT the time to be going to the hospital for Covid. Fatality rates and comorbidities will go up. They can't provide proper care when they are overworked.

So why have you not donated to the death star fund?
Jedi could solve this all for ya.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

No. based on not only cases but also Indiana's serologic surveys, no area is anywhere near herd immunity


Vaccination is starting to look promising. If the Pfizer vaccine is effective, there is a good chance at least one of the others are also. So all we may have to do is avoid exposure for a few more months.

And even if the vaccines don't pan out, this is NOT the time to be going to the hospital for Covid. Fatality rates and comorbidities will go up. They can't provide proper care when they are overworked.

That's happening now. People have been stuck in their houses, isolated, depressed, gaining weight, losing their livelihoods, becoming suicidal, etc.. How come medicines have to list every single remotely possible side effect, no matter how rare or unlikely, but the CDC and WHO get a pass on issuing a warning about the side effects of their "cure"?

 

[JCSR]

Kentucky Dem Governor Andy Beshear gave this warning today. What an ass!

[FONT=&amp]"Those that you may think you may only have 5-10 Thanksgivings left with, if we're not careful this year, you might not have more than one," Beshear said.[/FONT]

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Kentucky Dem Governor Andy Beshear gave this warning today. What an ass!

[FONT=&amp]"Those that you may think you may only have 5-10 Thanksgivings left with, if we're not careful this year, you might not have more than one," Beshear said.[/FONT]

Well isn't he just a little ray of sunshine!

 

[churchmouse]

That's happening now. People have been stuck in their houses, isolated, depressed, gaining weight, losing their livelihoods, becoming suicidal, etc.. How come medicines have to list every single remotely possible side effect, no matter how rare or unlikely, but the CDC and WHO get a pass on issuing a warning about the side effects of their "cure"?

I aint taken that crap.