Several new laws set to go into effect in Indiana this weekend

[Hop]

What makes you think this?

I should preface, "from a public space or property where I am in control". A citizens right to record public officials in the course of their duty, under the 1A, has been confirmed in multiple circuit courts iirc but there's still a split that needs resolved.
Cops can ask people to move back (I can decline) or they can put up tape. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I should preface, "from a public space or property where I am in control". A citizens right to record public officials in the course of their duty, under the 1A, has been confirmed in multiple circuit courts iirc but there's still a split that needs resolved.
Cops can ask people to move back (I can decline) or they can put up tape. Nothing wrong with that.

They make zoom lenses that would let you count the nose hairs on the officers from 100 yds. away.

 

[wcd]

They both seem to be great parents. We get along really well with them.

Good deal

 

[BJHay]

Red light cameras and widespread speed cameras by 2026. Foot is in the door now.

I'm waiting for the nannies to figure out that it's illegal to exceed the speed limit even when passing and then deduce that nobody 'needs' a car that can travel over 70 mph. Put a chip in all of them and cap the speed at the factory.

 

[Tryin']

I should preface, "from a public space or property where I am in control". A citizens right to record public officials in the course of their duty, under the 1A, has been confirmed in multiple circuit courts iirc but there's still a split that needs resolved.
Cops can ask people to move back (I can decline) or they can put up tape. Nothing wrong with that.

Twenty-five feet is not unreasonable. That's a single parallel parking spot. "Put up tape"... what ignorance. ****wits interfering with investigations and lawful police activity brought this issue to the forefront. Other ****wits declined to call them out for their inappropriate actions and now the police have some teeth to achieve an appropriate work space.

 

[actaeon277]

I'm waiting for the nannies to figure out that it's illegal to exceed the speed limit even when passing and then deduce that nobody 'needs' a car that can travel over 70 mph. Put a chip in all of them and cap the speed at the factory.

They're online now, posting pics of big trucks, and then a pic of a European truck, and saying we need laws to make trucks smaller.

 

[littletommy]

Twenty-five feet is not unreasonable. That's a single parallel parking spot. "Put up tape"... what ignorance. ****wits interfering with investigations and lawful police activity brought this issue to the forefront. Other ****wits declined to call them out for their inappropriate actions and now the police have some teeth to achieve an appropriate work space.

Agreed. If you watch on patrol live, in almost every case where police stop someone in an apartment complex or even residential neighborhood, one or more fat broads are immediately on scene running their big fat ebt holes at the cops. It’s infuriating to watch, can’t imagine being in the middle of it while trying to do my job.

 

[bwframe]

I traveled two interstate highways and 465 this afternoon to go pay respects to a relative that had passed.

Close to half of all of my trip was in multiple construction zones. All drivers around me (on a motorcycle,) slowed to around the posted construction zone limits, when there were obvious work crews working in the area.

Problem is that there were miles and miles and miles marked as construction, with no signs of anyone around.

I would be dead on the road myself, had I followed the posted construction zones limits. The surrounding traffic moving through the "construction zone" without any construction going on would have ran me over.

I guess I'll be watching my mailbox for the tickets.

 

[bwframe]

Wonder what sort of (kinda) legal counter measures are available for shielding license plates from these cameras?

 

[manifest destiny]

So at 24ft. an onlooker filming is a criminal. At 25ft. that same onlooker filming is just a citizen? Who the hell is going to measure? Are we measuring airspace such that only one's feet must be 25ft. but their appendages can overhang 'the line'? What if they cannot physically move due to structures, handicaps, constraints due to the police-action, etc.? What if they legitimately didn't hear the LEO declare? I'm pretty sure it's already a no-go to actually interfere with LEO's performing their duties. I figure the jack*** screaming at 20ft. will be the same jack*** screaming at 25ft. Hell, even the worldes deadliest virus has to be closer than six feet before it can do any harm.

 

[Rookie]

Wonder what sort of (kinda) legal counter measures are available for shielding license plates from these cameras?

Mythbusters did an episode on this. The only thing that worked was "out running" the camera

 

[Quiet Observer]

So at 24ft. an onlooker filming is a criminal. At 25ft. that same onlooker filming is just a citizen? Who the hell is going to measure? Are we measuring airspace such that only one's feet must be 25ft. but their appendages can overhang 'the line'? What if they cannot physically move due to structures, handicaps, constraints due to the police-action, etc.? What if they legitimately didn't hear the LEO declare? I'm pretty sure it's already a no-go to actually interfere with LEO's performing their duties. I figure the jack*** screaming at 20ft. will be the same jack*** screaming at 25ft. Hell, even the worldes deadliest virus has to be closer than six feet before it can do any harm.

That is why we have courts of law with testimony, witnesses, juries, judges, and attorneys.

 

[radar8756]

Wonder what sort of (kinda) legal counter measures are available for shielding license plates from these cameras?

I believe there are Law's AGAINST obscuring your License Plate in any way

Florida goes as far as those Dealer Advertisements that Frame plate are also Illegal

 

[manifest destiny]

That is why we have courts of law with testimony, witnesses, juries, judges, and attorneys.

Because everyone should have to prove they were 300 inches away from the cop? I agree with the spirit of the law. Directly interfering with a LEO already engaged in a situation should have consequences; sometimes you know it when you see it. But punishment for standing, filming, shouting or breakdancing 299 inches away vs. 300 inches away seems impractical.

 

[Quiet Observer]

Because everyone should have to prove they were 300 inches away from the cop? I agree with the spirit of the law. Directly interfering with a LEO already engaged in a situation should have consequences; sometimes you know it when you see it. But punishment for standing, filming, shouting or breakdancing 299 inches away vs. 300 inches away seems impractical.

In the typical trial the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant violated the law.

 

[Expat]

I think 24 feet would be okay if you declare you are a sovereign citizen.

 

[manifest destiny]

In the typical trial the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant violated the law.

I get, I really do. And in fairness to the law, I haven't taken the time to read it so my unflattering critique and questions about application might be found in the text. As to defending myself against prosecution for being within 25ft., that sound like a lot of money out of my pocket for something that might only be a matter of inches. Even if I win I couldn't consider that experience fair to me.

 

[Shadow01]

Twenty-five feet is not unreasonable. That's a single parallel parking spot. "Put up tape"... what ignorance. ****wits interfering with investigations and lawful police activity brought this issue to the forefront. Other ****wits declined to call them out for their inappropriate actions and now the police have some teeth to achieve an appropriate work space.

I read that as 25 feet outside the area designated by the officer as EIA. Would that not make the theoretical limit infinite?

 

[Tryin']

I read that as 25 feet outside the area designated by the officer as EIA. Would that not make the theoretical limit infinite?

The law is basically 2 parts.

A. Provides that a person who knowingly or intentionally approaches within 25 feet of a law enforcement officer after the law enforcement officer has ordered the person to stop commits a Class C misdemeanor.

B. Specifies that "emergency incident area" may include an area 25 feet in all directions from the perimeter of an emergency incident area. (Under current law, the area is 150 feet).

The parameters of an emergency incident area and what protocols must be followed in establishing such are already codified. Short answer is a beat cop cannot arbitrarily establish an official "emergency incident area". They can now use the threat of prosecution to maintain a 25' standoff zone around their scene, regardless of whether the scene meets the emergency incident area standard.

I see some people online getting wound around the axle over measuring 24 feet instead of 25 feet. If it was 5 feet, they'd be bitching about measuring 4 feet. If it was a measurement range, they'd be whining that the law was unclear and non specific. Fact of the matter is, you can can easily avoid the whole matter by giving cops room to work.

 

[Hop]

Twenty-five feet is not unreasonable. That's a single parallel parking spot. "Put up tape"... what ignorance. ****wits interfering with investigations and lawful police activity brought this issue to the forefront. Other ****wits declined to call them out for their inappropriate actions and now the police have some teeth to achieve an appropriate work space.

1A be damned right?? I'm happy there's plenty of ****witts with cameras to record leo interactions. There needs to be more.