1911 Lovers

[rvb]

dust cover cracking is from the rail being a couple hundredths too high. Looks awful thin where it cracked. Suspect when the slide cracked it twisted (they only show a crack on the left side) putting pressure on the dust cover. Agree with Jake on the cause. Why ball cutters aren't used more for serrations is beyond me. A nice square corner where the slide is thinner and the slide is stressed on recoil is just goofy.

-rvb

 

[CCF]

dust cover cracking is from the rail being a couple hundredths too high. Looks awful thin where it cracked. Suspect when the slide cracked it twisted (they only show a crack on the left side) putting pressure on the dust cover. Agree with Jake on the cause. Why ball cutters aren't used more for serrations is beyond me. A nice square corner where the slide is thinner and the slide is stressed on recoil is just goofy.

-rvb

I hear you about the the square serrations. Heck they couldn't have put the last one in a worse place. Also, a good point about it twisting. It does look cracked to me on both sides in the one pic though. Could be I guess, thats a heck of a twist though and I would think that the frame would have kept it square when the slide bottomed out on the frame rails.

 

[jakemartens]

Bad slide fitting, guide rod tunnel cut uneven or slightly off.

I am curious to hear about the failures that the Springfield and the S&W rail guns had too.

 

[BillD]

How often does a Marine actually fire his service pistol in action though? Primarily only if his main weapon fails, or he is disarmed in hand to hand combat, would the pistol be drawn, right? How can they justify paying three times as much for these as any other pistol, and twice as much as their M4, for something they pretty much almost never use? Something just doesn't (literally) add up, especially during a recession when we are all taking haircuts, and while the government is already in debt to its ears. Someone should be fired for this IMO, unless they got Colt to agree to $500 per gun, which I doubt is anywhere near the final price.

It's only your secondary until it's your primary.

 

[Coach]

It's only your secondary until it's your primary.

If one of our Marines is down to his sidearm and he survives it was well worth the cost.

 

[blkrifle]

If one of our Marines is down to his sidearm and he survives it was well worth the cost.

well said

 

[BillD]

I would probably rather that they were built by a semi custom house because as Jake said earlier, they will be given to shooters. Some of these men are entering houses and buildings with these. But, whatever Colt's faults are, their guns usually run.

I'd much rather have an M4 but there have been many cases since we went to war in the sand that the M4 was made unoperable by shrapnel and the guy's down to his pistol. Many have carried the day, some while severly wounded from said shrapnel.

If the Marines want a .45 1911, I'll gladly pay my taxes for that.

 

[Rob377]

I would probably rather that they were built by a semi custom house because as Jake said earlier, they will be given to shooters. Some of these men are entering houses and buildings with these. But, whatever Colt's faults are, their guns usually run.

I'd much rather have an M4 but there have been many cases since we went to war in the sand that the M4 was made unoperable by shrapnel and the guy's down to his pistol. Many have carried the day, some while severly wounded from said shrapnel.

If the Marines want a .45 1911, I'll gladly pay my taxes for that.

The previous meu soc 1911s were basically custom guns built in house.

 

[jakemartens]

http://www.i-mef.usmc.mil/external/imef-01/G1/i_mef_o/IMEFO%203502%201A.pdf

 

[jakemartens]

Marine expeditionary unit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MEU are Special Operations Capable after 6 months of workup. The group has grown to 4000 over the last couple of years and that is why they are wanting to go to an outside source to keep them supplied with pistols. In this case a format that they are familiar with, armory is familiar with, training is already written for, magazines and parts are already on hand.
The is the cheapest way to bring in new handguns for them and the order calls for them to be able to replace the 4000 as they wear out 2 more times, along with spare parts ect.
MEU are specialist and they are shooters and they want what works best for them in the environments that they work in with a know handgun, training for it, back up from the armory so no down time.

 

[Jimbovia]

I love the idea of this, specially buying American. But why not use M&P or something? They could get those for probably $300 each on contact, and instead they went with the most expensive pistol practically in existence.

Disregarding the proven 100 year record of the 1911 design, I'd bet it has to do with the 1911 having less components that could create a point of failure.

My count from exploded views of a M1911A1 and an M&P 9/40 is:

M1911A1: 30
M&P 9/40: 51

***Mag and parts not included

 

[HICKMAN]

I love the idea of this, specially buying American. But why not use M&P or something? They could get those for probably $300 each on contact, and instead they went with the most expensive pistol practically in existence.

once more time, this was an update to the 1911's they've been using all along.

USSOCOM groups have a seperate budget than their parent branches, they all fall under United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) - Home