64 year old man refuses trip to hospital, gets tasered.

[JetGirl]

one particularly cute but apparently brain dead female anchor person said something to the effect, "You can see the electricity flowing around his body." That's the light reflecting off the taser wires you goofy "B" word.

LOL. Reminds me of those Don Henley lyrics, "We got the bubbleheaded bleach-blonde, comes on at 5...She can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye..."

 

[public servant]

LOL. Reminds me of those Don Henley lyrics, "We got the bubbleheaded bleach-blonde, comes on at 5...She can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye..."

But she's really cute.

I wanted to tase her and make her call me daddy.

I think news media folks should be required to take a good tasing before they do a story on it.

Damn liberal democrats...take the ride!

 

[Ogre]

It's unfortunate the system sets the citizen up to not help their fellow citizen when being assaulted by LEO's. If you watched the entire altercation, new for a fact what the LEO is doing is excessive and wrong, you still are helpless to defend the man. Either you assist and are and the minimum arrested for assault of a LEO and obstruction. Or at the worse, pummeled by other officers or shot, (then pummeled ). So to agree with another poster, recording and making public the abuse may be the only recourse to help these citizens.

 

[infidel]

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

 

[Doug]

It's unfortunate the system sets the citizen up to not help their fellow citizen when being assaulted by LEO's. If you watched the entire altercation, new for a fact what the LEO is doing is excessive and wrong, you still are helpless to defend the man. Either you assist and are and the minimum arrested for assault of a LEO and obstruction. Or at the worse, pummeled by other officers or shot, (then pummeled ). So to agree with another poster, recording and making public the abuse may be the only recourse to help these citizens.

Agreed, this is the only recourse. BUT, do not allow the LEO's to know you are recording them. People are arrested and their cell phones/cameras confiscated when officers realize they are being recorded. Who knows when and how often the recorded data will be "accidently" erased or the data card lost and replaced with another?
It's sad, but I'm beginning to fear the police.

Is this what the police officers want?

 

[serpicostraight]

Don't be in such a hurry to grind that axe.

I'll FIFY

YouTube - Two officers under internal investigation after allegedly beating homeless man caught on tape

thx ps one of these days im gonne figure out how to do that

 

[public servant]

thx ps one of these days im gonne figure out how to do that

No problem. It was just a typo. You just needed a "space" between "flying" and "http".

 

[03mustgt]

Still not a reason for cops in his home.
Do you think being drunk in the privacy of your own home should earn you a visit?.

No, but I think talking about shooting yourself in the head.

Words. In the privacy of his own domain. HIS business. Still not warranting intervention.

Ah, but the words were in front of EMT's, even if they are still just "words", its called neglect of duty, meaning LEO loses his job, is civilly liable, and probably would lose his certificate if the old guy did go through with it. I mean I have hurt myself before and usually with me its a nice steady stream of profanity, not I want to shoot myself in the head.

Rightly so. He did not invite them into HIS home. They should have done EXACTLY that.

Exigent circumstances, they need not be invited into the home at that point. Also goes back to neglect of duty.

They should not have given any.

They were going to do an emergency hold on him to cya, he was talking about committing suicide, was clearly upset, and he was drunk. (If lawsuits were not an issue then yeah the LEOs would have left.)

Hope you feel differently if an unjustified force is used on you or someone you love.

Unjustified in your oppinion, and oppinions are like *******s, everyone has one and some smell worse than others. Personally if that was my family member, I still wouldnt feel sorry for them, in fact I would be upset for the way they talked to the police officers. What if that was your loved one and the LEO's left and the guy shot his wife and then himself later that night? How would you feel?

I don't know why people think tasers are a replacement for deadly force, and by thinking that way, the public thinks tasers should only be used in a deadly force situation.

I think there are two issues being cofused here. The fact the LEO were in this guys house after he asked them to leave, and the fact that they tasered him.

Just my , I am not saying I would have done the same thing, I just ask that you dont judge someone without knowing the full story.

 

[eldirector]

It is pretty bad when the justification for tasering a guy is the LEO covering his own butt.

I also think it is pretty sad that someone thought to be suicidal can be tazed, cuffed, and drug off to jail. If they were concerned at all about his mental state, they would have taken him to a hospital. They obviously determined he was no risk to himself (or they would have sought treatment), and at no point was he a risk to them.

I've got no problem with the cops stopping by after getting called by the EMTs. A quick wellness check should have sufficed.

 

[03mustgt]

It is pretty bad when the justification for tasering a guy is the LEO covering his own butt.

I also think it is pretty sad that someone thought to be suicidal can be tazed, cuffed, and drug off to jail. If they were concerned at all about his mental state, they would have taken him to a hospital. They obviously determined he was no risk to himself (or they would have sought treatment), and at no point was he a risk to them.

I've got no problem with the cops stopping by after getting called by the EMTs. A quick wellness check should have sufficed.

You are confusing the issues, the justification for the cops being there was basically cya, not the justification for the tasing.

How do you know they didnt take him to the hospital?

 

[level.eleven]

I don't know why people think tasers are a replacement for deadly force, and by thinking that way, the public thinks tasers should only be used in a deadly force situation.

What are they then? That is certainly how they were sold to the public when they came onto the scene - to circumvent the use of lethal force. Are they simply pain compliance devices now?

 

[hornadylnl]

Ah, but the words were in front of EMT's, even if they are still just "words", its called neglect of duty, meaning LEO loses his job, is civilly liable, and probably would lose his certificate if the old guy did go through with it.

Ok, how would the officer be civilly liable for the guys suicide when we're being told that Bisard is shielded from civil suits in the death he caused?

 

[03mustgt]

What are they then? That is certainly how they were sold to the public when they came onto the scene - to circumvent the use of lethal force. Are they simply pain compliance devices now?

They might have been sold that way, but if my life is on the line I am not going to rely on it.

They are a tool, used to help subdue.

 

[rmabrey]

I dont feel like going through and quoting everyone to respond but 03mustgt is correct for the most part.

When the man said "paraphrase: id shoot myself" and refused transport, the medics would have called the police. As ive said before they probably didn't get the joke.

Now as a medic you have to have consent to treat or transport a person, whether it be implied or expressed. In this case they did not have consent so the only other way to take this man to the hospital is to prove he is mentally incompetent to understand the risk. This would generally come in to play if his injuries could pose life threatening, but the "id shoot myself" comment combined with him possibly being drunk, was reason for the Officers to intervene.

However this does not justify them using tazers IMO

 

[03mustgt]

Ok, how would the officer be civilly liable for the guys suicide when we're being told that Bisard is shielded from civil suits in the death he caused?

Bisard will be civilly liable, IC states that even though you have lights and sirens on you still have to drive with DUE REGARD.

Officer would be civilly liable for neglect of duty. This country is entirely too sue happy.

 

[rmabrey]

Ok, how would the officer be civilly liable for the guys suicide when we're being told that Bisard is shielded from civil suits in the death he caused?

IM not up to date on the Bisard case but had the guy killed himself after the officers and EMT's left and turned out that he was drunk then she would have good reason to sue and more than likely would be succesfull

 

[public servant]

What are they then? That is certainly how they were sold to the public when they came onto the scene - to circumvent the use of lethal force. Are they simply pain compliance devices now?

They have several uses. Including preventing injuries to suspects and LE personnel. Lots of info...but worth looking at. IMO...of course.

http://www.taser.com/research/statistics/Documents/TASER%20Injury%20Reduction%20Stats%20PUBLIC%20June%203%202009.pdf

Data concerning the reduction of officer involved shootings begins around page 94 thru page 111 I believe.

 

[JetGirl]

No, but I think talking about shooting yourself in the head.
Exigent circumstances,

They were going to do an emergency hold on him to cya, he was talking about committing suicide, was clearly upset, and he was drunk.

I think you missed the "if I had a gun" part...which speaks to the fact that they were just words that couldn't be backed up even if he was dead sober and serious. Kinda hard to shoot yourself with no gun.
There sure has been a lot of omission concerning that part of his statement...

What if that was your loved one ... How would you feel?

I don't have to play "what if". Unfortunately, I already know.
I'd lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of the person to whom it belonged.
(That means the person in question, not the cop who left if/when asked.)

 

[XMil]

Well, the cars (around here) do say "To protect and serve", I guess they just left of the word "ourselves".

 

[rmabrey]

I'd lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of the person to whom it belonged.
(That means the person in question, not the cop who left if/when asked.)

These days you are a rare breed, most are just quick to file lawsuit