A Third Party Candidate on the Rise in 2016?

[hornadylnl]

Hornady, if Christie gets the nomination then you should be elated, because that will mark the death of the Republican party. They will have become the second Democrat party (I know, I know, you think this happened when Romney was nominated). Well, no, maybe it would be more accurate to say that the Democrat party became the Socialist party, and the Repubpicans will become the Democrat paety eh? Either way, every conservative voter would become a Libertarian over night. Isn't that what you want? It could turn out to be a good thing long term, another step towards the breaking point, and the demolition of both parties.

If McCain and Romney couldn't do that, I have little hope that Christie will.

I kinda like this pragmatism stuff. I'm convinced.
Chris Christie 2016: He Would Beat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Election

Chris Christie/Jeb Bush 2016!

 

[netsecurity]

If McCain and Romney couldn't do that, I have little hope that Christie will.

I kinda like this pragmatism stuff. I'm convinced.
Chris Christie 2016: He Would Beat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Election

Chris Christie/Jeb Bush 2016!

I have to admit that now I feel pretty much the same way about those two. McCain in particular has become an Obama supporter. Too pragmatic! We do need someone much more conservative. Why doesn't Ted Cruz or Rand Paul excite you? We can supplant RINOs with Libertarian and Tea Party types, and mold the new Republican party to fit the beliefs of OUR generation, and not that of our parents. We don't have to first destroy the two party system. I think the anarchist in you won't be satisfied unless we do just that. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy if a Libertarian won in 2016, because I'd be elated. I just don't think we need to destroy the Republican party--I'd rather focus on fighting socialism and destroying the Democrat party. This is a big enough task, a huge task, and when people like you see the Republican party as more of a threat...well, I just don't get it.

 

[Expat]

I would like to see either Ted or Rand get the nomination, but I doubt it will happen. Karl Rove and the big machine GOP will put on a smear with the help of the libs and the MSM unlike we have seen in awhile. Even if they get through the nomination process, they will be so damaged that Hillary will walk right in. I hope I am wrong.

Back to the topic, I don't see any third party that is likely to get any traction with the electorate at this point. The ones that have been running for decades, if they haven't gained any supporters at this point, it probably isn't going to happen now. I don't see any deep pocket independent candidates out there with the exception of Trump. Who knows what he might do.

 

[hornadylnl]

I have to admit that now I feel pretty much the same way about those two. McCain in particular has become an Obama supporter. Too pragmatic! We do need someone much more conservative. Why doesn't Ted Cruz or Rand Paul excite you? We can supplant RINOs with Libertarian and Tea Party types, and mold the new Republican party to fit the beliefs of OUR generation, and not that of our parents. We don't have to first destroy the two party system. I think the anarchist in you won't be satisfied unless we do just that. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy if a Libertarian won in 2016, because I'd be elated. I just don't think we need to destroy the Republican party--I'd rather focus on fighting socialism and destroying the Democrat party. This is a big enough task, a huge task, and when people like tou see the Republican party as more of a threat...well, I just don't get it.

The question is why does the Republican Party see libertarians as a threat? Not like they'd change the rules or anything to shut them out.

We had to vote for McCain. We had to vote for Romney. We had to vote for Coats. And if Lugar had won the primary we would have had to vote for him as well. People along the way have warned us what these particular people were about and then we act surprised when McCain shows us his true colors.

Chris Christie/Jeb Bush 2016!

 

[hornadylnl]

The left will use the right's birther argument to defeat Cruz.

 

[jbombelli]

Vote Republican. They've been doing a damned fine job of guiding our nation to prosperity so far.

 

[jamil]

What is the repub party giving libertarians in compromise? Nothing. They just demand their votes.

In the 2 major party candidates last election, or was a choice between aids and cancer. Some compromise offered.

What common ground do you share with conservatives? Any? I do think social conservatives need to rethink their political priorities. These issues should not be the focal point of the platform. I'm not saying they have to give up their positions, just put them in perspective of what's the most likely common ground they can find with reasonable libertarians, which there are some.

Honestly, I think there's no way to solidify opposition against the collectivists with the 1% variety of libertarians. Your strategy, sitting on your pristine ideological pedestals while watching America burn left is already helping you reach your goal, which is apparently just to be able to say I told you so.

I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics used to explain that Christie is the pragmatic choice over Hillary.

What about the mental gymnastics you guys contorted to say Romney would be more likely to ban guns than Obama. AND STILL DO!

Look, there's not a shortage of Republicans who would support Christi. That's not about mental gymnastics. It's not pragmatics. It's ideology. I did see Romney as the pragmatic choice over Obama. There's a much larger difference between the two than you'd like to think.

Hornady, if Christie gets the nomination then you should be elated, because that will mark the death of the Republican party. They will have become the second Democrat party (I know, I know, you think this happened when Romney was nominated). Well, no, maybe it would be more accurate to say that the Democrat party became the Socialist party, and the Republicans have become the Democrat paety eh? Either way, every conservative voter would finally become a Libertarian over night. Isn't that what you want? It could turn out to be a good thing long term, another step towards the breaking point, and the demolition of both parties.

Now see, you have me being sarcastic. I actually don't want tragedies to occur in order for my favorite party to benefit from it. I want Rand Paul. I don't care what party he represents. He believes the same things I do, and that is what matters to me.

If Christi gets the nomination, it should mark the death of the Republican Party. But not every conservative voter would shed their social agendas and become Libertarians, although many may vote for one if the LP could field an electable one.

I have to admit that now I feel pretty much the same way about those two. McCain in particular has become an Obama supporter. Too pragmatic! We do need someone much more conservative. Why doesn't Ted Cruz or Rand Paul excite you? We can supplant RINOs with Libertarian and Tea Party types, and mold the new Republican party to fit the beliefs of OUR generation, and not that of our parents. We don't have to first destroy the two party system. I think the anarchist in you won't be satisfied unless we do just that. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy if a Libertarian won in 2016, because I'd be elated. I just don't think we need to destroy the Republican party--I'd rather focus on fighting socialism and destroying the Democrat party. This is a big enough task, a huge task, and when people like tou see the Republican party as more of a threat...well, I just don't get it.

We can't supplant the McCains with Cruzes or Pauls until people like Carl Rove are politically destroyed. The only pragmatics involved with people like McCain is maintaining power. That's not the kind of pragmatics I advocate.

The question is why does the Republican Party see libertarians as a threat? Not like they'd change the rules or anything to shut them out.

We had to vote for McCain. We had to vote for Romney. We had to vote for Coats. And if Lugar had won the primary we would have had to vote for him as well. People along the way have warned us what these particular people were about and then we act surprised when McCain shows us his true colors.

Chris Christie/Jeb Bush 2016!

Republicans see libertarians as a threat because liberty limits the power of government. The fat ass puss bag is salivating over all that power so of course he must marginalize any attempt to limit it.

The left will use the right's birther argument to defeat Cruz.

Probably. But would you support Cruz?

 

[hornadylnl]

I don't know much about Cruz so I can't say whether I'd support him or not at this point. But for the party to back him, it delegitimization the whole birthers argument. People don't care where Obama was born any more than they care where Cruz is born. It's just another weapon in the arsenal to try to take Obama down.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

I've always thought (and said) that Ross Perot's presidential run gave Bill Clinton the presidency over the incumbent George H.W. Bush.

So you are blaming Ross Perot for Bush losing? I find this hilarious and wish to subscribe to your newsletter

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I don't know much about Cruz so I can't say whether I'd support him or not at this point. But for the party to back him, it delegitimization the whole birthers argument. People don't care where Obama was born any more than they care where Cruz is born. It's just another weapon in the arsenal to try to take Obama down.

You do know it was the Hiliary campaign that started that? So, yeah it'd be only expected that the dems would use a political weapon they've used in the past.

 

[hornadylnl]

You do know it was the Hiliary campaign that started that? So, yeah it'd be only expected that the dems would use a political weapon they've used in the past.

And the repubs that are still running with it 5 years later are taking their direction from Hillary?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

And the repubs that are still running with it 5 years later are taking their direction from Hillary?

I don't know any "mainstream" pundits that I read or listen to that are/or have ever given this serious thought. I'm sure there are some out there but there's probably as many dems, libertarians, greens, socialists, and other garden variety political groups as republicans hoping to someday prove this to be true.

 

[hornadylnl]

I don't know any "mainstream" pundits that I read or listen to that are/or have ever given this serious thought. I'm sure there are some out there but there's probably as many dems, libertarians, greens, socialists, and other garden variety political groups as republicans hoping to someday prove this to be true.

Of all the birthers posting here, what percentage of them voted for republicans, dems, libertarians, greens, socialists, and other garden variety political groups?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Of all the birthers posting here, what percentage of them voted for republicans, dems, libertarians, greens, socialists, and other garden variety political groups?

Don't know. But then again, I'm not recalling seeing a constant stream of birther posts. I get the feeling there are a number of people here on INGO, that if the birther thing were shown to be true, would celebrate and gleefully watch BHO removed from office. I would be one of them. But that doesn't mean they're all "birthers"...I'm certainly not.

 

[jbombelli]

And the repubs that are still running with it 5 years later are taking their direction from Hillary?

By "repubs" you mean Donald Trump? I don't know of anyone else in a position of any sort of authority that pays any attention to it anymore.

Don't know. But then again, I'm not recalling seeing a constant stream of birther posts. I get the feeling there are a number of people here on INGO, that if the birther thing were shown to be true, would celebrate and gleefully watch BHO removed from office. I would be one of them. But that doesn't mean they're all "birthers"...I'm certainly not.

I would be one of them. But I've always believed he was actually born in Hawaii. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

 

[hornadylnl]

Don't know. But then again, I'm not recalling seeing a constant stream of birther posts. I get the feeling there are a number of people here on INGO, that if the birther thing were shown to be true, would celebrate and gleefully watch BHO removed from office. I would be one of them. But that doesn't mean they're all "birthers"...I'm certainly not.

By "repubs" you mean Donald Trump? I don't know of anyone else in a position of any sort of authority that pays any attention to it anymore.




I would be one of them. But I've always believed he was actually born in Hawaii. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

I'm not speaking of Republican Party politicians, I'm speaking of republican voters.

Just the other day, there was a poster who said the fly their flag upside down because the election was illegal. How many times have I read the word Kenyan here?

I don't care where he was born. Doesn't change the make up of the electorate.

 

[jamil]

Don't know. But then again, I'm not recalling seeing a constant stream of birther posts. I get the feeling there are a number of people here on INGO, that if the birther thing were shown to be true, would celebrate and gleefully watch BHO removed from office. I would be one of them. But that doesn't mean they're all "birthers"...I'm certainly not.

By "repubs" you mean Donald Trump? I don't know of anyone else in a position of any sort of authority that pays any attention to it anymore.

I don't know any "mainstream" pundits that I read or listen to that are/or have ever given this serious thought. I'm sure there are some out there but there's probably as many dems, libertarians, greens, socialists, and other garden variety political groups as republicans hoping to someday prove this to be true.

I'm not speaking of Republican Party politicians, I'm speaking of republican voters.

Just the other day, there was a poster who said the fly their flag upside down because the election was illegal. How many times have I read the word Kenyan here?

I don't care where he was born. Doesn't change the make up of the electorate.

So what you're complaining about is that people exist who make more of things they don't like than there are so that those things look worse than they are. Okay. Anything else you'd like to make look worse than it is?

 

[hornadylnl]

Don't know. But then again, I'm not recalling seeing a constant stream of birther posts. I get the feeling there are a number of people here on INGO, that if the birther thing were shown to be true, would celebrate and gleefully watch BHO removed from office. I would be one of them. But that doesn't mean they're all "birthers"...I'm certainly not.

By "repubs" you mean Donald Trump? I don't know of anyone else in a position of any sort of authority that pays any attention to it anymore.




I would be one of them. But I've always believed he was actually born in Hawaii. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

So what you're complaining about is that people exist who make more of things they don't like than there are so that those things look worse than they are. Okay. Anything else you'd like to make look worse than it is?

Apparently you two have taken a hiatus from the general political subforum to not notice the birther talk.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Apparently you two have taken a hiatus from the general political subforum to not notice the birther talk.

To which two are you referring?

 

[hornadylnl]

Don't know. But then again, I'm not recalling seeing a constant stream of birther posts. I get the feeling there are a number of people here on INGO, that if the birther thing were shown to be true, would celebrate and gleefully watch BHO removed from office. I would be one of them. But that doesn't mean they're all "birthers"...I'm certainly not.

By "repubs" you mean Donald Trump? I don't know of anyone else in a position of any sort of authority that pays any attention to it anymore.




I would be one of them. But I've always believed he was actually born in Hawaii. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

To which two are you referring?

Ok, 3.