Alaska man arrested at Fair for holding Impeach Obama sign?

[public servant]

Based on my experience with my father and grandfather (both of whom were alcoholics), the combination of heavy smoking and alcohol can do it. My dad died at 61 (2 years older than I am now) and looked at least 80. His dad was in his late 70s when he died, but didn't have emphysema like my dad did; he looked like he was in his late 60s.

Alright!! You people are depressing me now. Stop it!! Jesus...I need a drink.

 

[pistol pete]

If this was a private event say an admission was charged then they have a right to expel this guy . If it was public assembly they are in deep do do . Regaurdless if you deal with the public there are ways of turning the situation around without brute force . It shows a lack of intelligence on the part of those hiring these guys .

 

[public servant]

If this was a private event say an admission was charged then they have a right to expel this guy . If it was public assembly they are in deep do do .

How do you figure?

 

[dross]

Horsecrap. The man's words and actions, his hatred of America, his racism, his contempt for the Constitution have rendered him despicable and utterly unworthy of being shown any sign of respect. He should tarred and feathered, not catered to. I wouldn't show anybody else with his ideals the vaguest sign of respect, no reason to treat that scummy vermin any better.

Just once, Joe, I wish you'd man up and stop parsing your words and beating around the bush. Just say what you think, and stop hiding behind ambiguous language. Simple rule, Joe - eschew obfuscation.

 

[dross]

Your choice...I will show him respect for his office even though I do not like what he has done. George W. made a lot of bad mistakes and I bash his policy choices the same as Clinton, Reagan, and Carter. IMO, once a person is elected into that office then they should get at least a certain level of respect which the office holds even though I can't stand what they are doing with policy issues. Also, that does not mean you can't protest or campaign against to try and remove them from office at all.

I once thought as you did, and refused to call Clinton "Slick Willy" or other names. I still don't call names, as I think it's silly.

I've changed my view in principle. I truly believe that this man has disdain for the Constitution, I believe that he thinks America has been a force for evil in the World, and I believe he wants to change our basic structure fundamentally, and I don't think he intends to stay within the law to do it, except where he must in order to move his agenda ahead. I think he believes in the socialist tenet that you must lie to the common man for his own good if it will advance the agenda he knows to be righteous. I think we have elected a true enemy of this country into its highest office.

It's hard for me to argue with Joe that I owe respect to that.

 

[Disposable Heart]

I once thought as you did, and refused to call Clinton "Slick Willy" or other names. I still don't call names, as I think it's silly.

A very remarkable trait, in comparison with the low road tactic that the right decides it wants to take at the Grass Roots level. People seem to want to take their aggression out on something, but are restricted by law, money or willpower to perform that action, so they belittle the opponent. Similar to racism found in the military during wartime towards a race they are currently fighting, such as calling Muslims ragheads, etc...

Yet another tactic taken by people who cannot manage their anger into something constructive, such as political action, letter writing and campaigning for preferred candidates. People want to just forward inane emails filled with racial slurs in regards to the president.

I respect my enemies, regardless of their caliber. For example: I will fear a person trying to mug me, even if they have a Lorcin, Hi Point or similar. Some folks will actually laugh, saying that firearm can only dispense one round (if at all) before jamming, not understanding that one round can devastate them or a loved one in a blink of an eye. People do not respect the president as they want to cling (yes, I am using that word) to their self-disrespectful view of the opponent being impotent, something to be dismissed and something they learned about in some crap, 5000 times forwarded, virus ridden email.

I respect my enemy as it allows me to observe their attributes without using anger to cloud my views, without rage to befuddle me and without respite in my unending march to remove them (though action or rhetoric).

 

[Fargo]

If this was a private event say an admission was charged then they have a right to expel this guy . If it was public assembly they are in deep do do . Regaurdless if you deal with the public there are ways of turning the situation around without brute force . It shows a lack of intelligence on the part of those hiring these guys .

How do you figure?

Because private property being leased by the state is under state control and 1st Amendment rights are going to likely apply. If you don't want that to happen on your property, then don't lease it to the state.

I have no idea what the legal structure of the Alaska state fair is and nor do I really care. However, if it is a state run event on state leased property, then the private property argument likely goes out the window. This is especially so if the state contracted for those security guards or controlled them in any way.

Just because property is held under private title doesn't mean it doesn't become public if leased by the state.

I'm more than a little queasy about the enforcement of this "unwritten rule" that political statements cannot be made. If that property and/or the security guards were under gov't control there may be a real issue here.

Joe

 

[Eddie]

Setting aside the private property issue and looking at the arrest I am changing my opinion after watching the video a couple of times.

The security guys approacched and tried to reason with the guy then backed off and got advice when he challenged them. They spent a long time talking on the phone before re-approaching him. They told him he had to leave. Next the one guy tried to take him by the arm and escort him. He fought that so then two guys took him by the elbows and tried to escort him but the old guy wrapped his legs around one of the security guard's legs. It was only at this point when they couldn't escort him away that they took him to the ground and cuffed him. I don't think it was too bad for a couple of security guys.

Again, I am setting aside the debate over private property and just looking at the security guards. They seemed to have the common sense to back off and make sure of what they were doing and then the force appeared to esculate gradually until the guy was placed in handcuffs.

I would say that if somebody is in trouble, it would be whoever was on the other end of that phone giving the guards instructions.

 

[Fargo]

Update:

According to the claims made in this link, the Alaska State Fair is really a private not-for-profit organization.

Armed protester arrested at Alaska State Fair - ktuu.com

However, according to the fairs own website, it was the Alaska Legislature that gave the fair the "state fair designation" as well as hosting state events like unveiling the new U.S. Currency.

Alaska State Fair

This is going to be an interesting one. I really don't know if they are a state actor or not. If they are, I think there are some real problems here.

Joe

 

[beararms1776]

Did anyone ever notice O's new mustache?

 

[downzero]

Because private property being leased by the state is under state control and 1st Amendment rights are going to likely apply. If you don't want that to happen on your property, then don't lease it to the state.

I have no idea what the legal structure of the Alaska state fair is and nor do I really care. However, if it is a state run event on state leased property, then the private property argument likely goes out the window. This is especially so if the state contracted for those security guards or controlled them in any way.

Just because property is held under private title doesn't mean it doesn't become public if leased by the state.

I'm more than a little queasy about the enforcement of this "unwritten rule" that political statements cannot be made. If that property and/or the security guards were under gov't control there may be a real issue here.

Joe

Update:

According to the claims made in this link, the Alaska State Fair is really a private not-for-profit organization.

Armed protester arrested at Alaska State Fair - ktuu.com

However, according to the fairs own website, it was the Alaska Legislature that gave the fair the "state fair designation" as well as hosting state events like unveiling the new U.S. Currency.

Alaska State Fair

This is going to be an interesting one. I really don't know if they are a state actor or not. If they are, I think there are some real problems here.

Joe

It would be so awesome if you're right.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Have a sign "Impeach Obama" GO TO JAIL! Silence the population

The old man, made some good points. I support his arguement, whole heartedly



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppBZM88mHvQ

 

[Mike_M]

This is enough to **** off the good humor man. I hope these security guys lose their ass in court over civil rights violations.

 

[infidel]

That sucks. Guess he shouldn't **** around on private property like that.

 

[femurphy77]

I think the blond chick needs a spanking for butting in!!

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

That sucks. Guess he shouldn't **** around on private property like that.

I think the issue was "Advertising", in which the Old guy replied, and rightly so, anyone wearing a shirt with imagery, logo, trademark should take it off.

Which I do happen to agree with.

 

[infidel]

I think the issue was "Advertising", in which the Old guy replied, and rightly so, anyone wearing a shirt with imagery, logo, trademark should take it off.

Which I do happen to agree with.

Oh, I agree too. But I also think that whoever owns or was in charge of the property should have the right to ask any person to leave for any reason. He should have walked off the property and stood on the street corner.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Oh, I agree too. But I also think that whoever owns or was in charge of the property should have the right to ask any person to leave for any reason. He should have walked off the property and stood on the street corner.

Cant say I dont agree with that.


But then again, it begs the question why he was singled out; Especially at an event where Pro-Obama T shirts were being sold.


They have names for stuff like this, and it's Gastopo, brother.

 

[ayester1]

This is not the first time that people against Obama have been threatened or mistreated contrary to the law. It probably won't be the last.

 

[rjstew317]

why are we not hearing a uproar from the ACLU? i thought this was exactly the type of thing they are supposed to stand in unity against