Alaska man arrested at Fair for holding Impeach Obama sign?

[Sgt Rock]

If you can get arrested for speaking out against "the living messiah", then a few hundred million of us (including me) would be locked up. But that's communism at work.

 

[lawdog]

The question here is do we have a 1st amendment any more or has it been took away slowly like many of our rights???????

 

[Expat]

Could you? Sure you could. Would it bite you in the ***? Probably when you applied handcuffs. In reality...there was nothing excessive in their attempt to remove him. They attempted to escort him from private property. He decided he wasn't going. They put him on the ground.

What does Alaska law allow? I have no idea. One account I read stated the security personnel worked for a private firm. Were they comprised of off duty LEO? I have no idea. If they weren't LEO I'd have rather seen them wait for the troopers.

My personal opinion is that if you step on someone's private property and they ask you a couple of times to leave and you refuse...you'll probably get what you have coming. But that is nothing more than my personal opinion.

I hate that a "State Fair" is held on private property. That is absurd. I believe several Indiana county fairs are however. I also hate that the Indiana State Fair doesn't allow law abiding citizens the opportunity to protect themselves. You couldn't pay me to go there unarmed. I know too many of the patrons.

I think this is the problem everyone has with this situation. The perception is that since it is the State Fair, it is public property. And even now with the explanation and all, it seems like this is some quasi-public property.

I think everyone is also bothered by some 500 pound lard ass sitting on top of some old guy.

 

[lawdog]

I was not aware this was held on private property thats the issue but i do not agree with it !!!!!

 

[dross]

The question here is do we have a 1st amendment any more or has it been took away slowly like many of our rights???????

This has nothing to do with the first amendment. You want to go on private land, you have to obey the owner's rules.

What I object to is the guy being charged with assault when it doesn't look like he assaulted anyone.

 

[downzero]

I have a feeling the old man is a Vietnam vet, just a guess.

He's 52 years old. My math suggests he's a bit young to have served in Vietnam, at least while the United States was there.

 

[rmabrey]

Sad but true, the old man is the criminal here

 

[Armed Eastsider]

He's 52 years old. My math suggests he's a bit young to have served in Vietnam, at least while the United States was there.

Oops I never saw his age anywhere. He does look older then 52 in my opinion.

 

[public servant]

Oops I never saw his age anywhere. He does look older then 52 in my opinion.

Alcohol does that.

 

[bigus_D]

Alcohol does that.

Actually, it appears that alcohol increases life span. I believe cigarettes "do that."

Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers, Study Finds - Yahoo! News

 

[public servant]

Actually, it appears that alcohol increases life span. I believe cigarettes "do that."

Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers, Study Finds - Yahoo! News

Crap...now I have to switch vices.

 

[irishfan]

Whether you like Obama or not he is the president and should be treated with the respect the office holds. However, there is absolutely no reason that you can't voice your opinion or position without fear of being oppressed. As of right now I can't think of anything Obama has done to be impeached but there is absolutely no reason a person should be told not to voice that position if it is how they feel personally.

Edit: If this was on private land then yes you have to respect what the people in charge of it want or go.

 

[Joe Williams]

Crap...now I have to switch vices.

Naw. Just do both. It'll even out.

 

[Joe Williams]

Whether you like Obama or not he is the president and should be treated with the respect the office holds. snip.

Horsecrap. The man's words and actions, his hatred of America, his racism, his contempt for the Constitution have rendered him despicable and utterly unworthy of being shown any sign of respect. He should tarred and feathered, not catered to. I wouldn't show anybody else with his ideals the vaguest sign of respect, no reason to treat that scummy vermin any better.

 

[irishfan]

Horsecrap. The man's words and actions, his hatred of America, his racism, his contempt for the Constitution have rendered him despicable and utterly unworthy of being shown any sign of respect. He should tarred and feathered, not catered to. I wouldn't show anybody else with his ideals the vaguest sign of respect, no reason to treat that scummy vermin any better.

Your choice...I will show him respect for his office even though I do not like what he has done. George W. made a lot of bad mistakes and I bash his policy choices the same as Clinton, Reagan, and Carter. IMO, once a person is elected into that office then they should get at least a certain level of respect which the office holds even though I can't stand what they are doing with policy issues. Also, that does not mean you can't protest or campaign against to try and remove them from office at all.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Have cops ever not sided with the Barney Fife Security Guards of the world?

Frequently, when the security guards violate the law. On the other hand, how often is a cop around when you want him to see the other guy cutting you off (and flipping you off) on the highway, or running that red light?

 

[Blackhawk2001]

The question here is do we have a 1st amendment any more or has it been took away slowly like many of our rights???????

I think that depends upon the setting. As I understand it, you have the right to make any political statements you wish in public. That isn't the same as saying you can say anything you want, wherever you want, without fear of consequences. The same may not appy on someone else's property.

For instance, if you're in my home and you insult my wife (as opposed to me), you're going to be asked to leave. If you insist upon your "right" to say whatever offensive thing you want, I will likely exercise my right to remove a tresspasser from my property - using whatever level of force it might take.

Does that make sense?

 

[Expat]

Your choice...I will show him respect for his office even though I do not like what he has done. George W. made a lot of bad mistakes and I bash his policy choices the same as Clinton, Reagan, and Carter. IMO, once a person is elected into that office then they should get at least a certain level of respect which the office holds even though I can't stand what they are doing with policy issues. Also, that does not mean you can't protest or campaign against to try and remove them from office at all.

If he gets to send guys to pick up your guns one day, we will see how that respect thing is working for you.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Actually, it appears that alcohol increases life span. I believe cigarettes "do that."

Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers, Study Finds - Yahoo! News

Based on my experience with my father and grandfather (both of whom were alcoholics), the combination of heavy smoking and alcohol can do it. My dad died at 61 (2 years older than I am now) and looked at least 80. His dad was in his late 70s when he died, but didn't have emphysema like my dad did; he looked like he was in his late 60s.

 

[irishfan]

If he gets to send guys to pick up your guns one day, we will see how that respect thing is working for you.

Wow...a lot of people here only read what they want from posts. All I said is that I don't attack him personally by intention but I do attack his policy and agendas. This is why I have stayed out of the political section lately and will again.