ATF Director Displays Ignorance About Basic Firearm Topics During Pro Gun Control Segment

[2tonic]

Tool os much easier to say..

Don't be a Dettalbach rent one loses all its luster

Well....admittedly, it does lose it's flow when surrounded by English words. It's much more charming in German conversation, what with German being one of the romantic languages.
At least it always makes the guys at the beer hall in Bad Liebstadt chuckle.

 

[WebSnyper]

I finally watched the video and it's interesting to hear them try and have it both ways about shoulder stocks/braces, and mentioning that Glock switches are more dangerous because they can't be controlled because it's not designed to be shot from a shouldered position.

 

[printcraft]

I finally watched the video and it's interesting to hear them try and have it both ways about shoulder stocks/braces, and mentioning that Glock switches are more dangerous because they can't be controlled because it's not designed to be shot from a shouldered position.

All guns are bad... See?!
Totally not contradictory when you look at it from that perspective.

 

[BugI02]

When was the last time you were at a gun show or store, and all of the firearms that were for sale had chamber flags or zip ties to keep the actions closed?
We were taught to pick them up and make sure its clear.

The OGCA requires all guns, either displayed at tables or carried by members, to have the actions zip-tied. Further, all magazines have to be empty as well, whether in the weapon or carried elsewhere

Edit: Within the display areas of the show

 

[rb288]

It is very obvious that there isn't anyone on the political side of the "gun control" community that has any idea what they are talking about.

 

[Creedmoor]

The OGCA requires all guns, either displayed at tables or carried by members, to have the actions zip-tied. Further, all magazines have to be empty as well, whether in the weapon or carried elsewhere

Edit: Within the display areas of the show

So without me checking a firearm I pickup is safe, I should believe the man behind the show table?
Next time I'm at a show in Ohio I'll take pictures.

 

[cbhausen]

A gun is a gun until personally verified as no longer a gun (i.e.: through disassembly, or disablement, by removing firing pin, etc.).

My rule number one is never point guns at anything you are not willing to destroy. Always observe proper muzzle discipline and proper trigger discipline as long as it’s still “a gun“.

If I can’t see for myself that a gun is no longer a gun, because an internal modification disabled it then I will always, and I do mean always check to make sure it is unloaded, always while practicing proper muzzle and trigger discipline.

It made me uncomfortable yet was amusing seeing those ATF dorks walk around the end of that table with a 50 cal pointed at them, let alone observing their gun handling skills. They looked and sounded like rank amateurs with poor instruction rather than the expert gun handlers one should expect them to be.

For the love of everything holy, I hope Trump wins and flushes these dorks down the toilet along with everything else that’s wrong in DC. ATF should be advocates for us not adversaries. They work for us g*ddamnit.

 

[firecadet613]

A gun is a gun until personally verified as no longer a gun (i.e.: through disassembly, or disablement, by removing firing pin, etc.).

My rule number one is never point guns at anything you are not willing to destroy. Always observe proper muzzle discipline and proper trigger discipline as long as it’s still “a gun“.

If I can’t see for myself that a gun is no longer a gun, because an internal modification disabled it then I will always, and I do mean always check to make sure it is unloaded, always while practicing proper muzzle and trigger discipline.

It made me uncomfortable yet was amusing seeing those ATF dorks walk around the end of that table with a 50 cal pointed at them, let alone observing their gun handling skills. They looked and sounded like rank amateurs with porn instruction rather than the expert gun handlers one should expect them to be.

For the love of everything holy, I hope Trump wins and flushes these dorks down the toilet along with everything else that’s wrong in DC. ATF should be advocates for us not adversaries. They work for us g*ddamnit.

Your post reminds me of the movie 'Shooter's, where he swapped firing pins on his rifles so they wouldn't fire...

 

[cbhausen]

Your post reminds me of the movie 'Shooter's, where he swapped firing pins on his rifles so they wouldn't fire...

Removal of firing pins is usually what is done at gun trade shows (NRAAM at least in my experience) and it’s still difficult for me to see people pointing what should be inert weapons at each other.

Even then, when I picked up a gun there, I checked the magazine well and chamber and didn’t point it at anyone.

 

[BugI02]

So without me checking a firearm I pickup is safe, I should believe the man behind the show table?
Next time I'm at a show in Ohio I'll take pictures.

No, you don't have to do that, but all the arms on the display table will also be zip-tied in some way. If you want to cycle the action of one or inspect the breech etc, you will have to ask the table's proprietor to cut the tie

They tightened up the regs after having an ND a few years ago that caused injuries (mostly to the table's proprietor) but even then the exhibitor was showing a customer his personal carry weapon which was not supposed to be loaded inside the exhibit space - and as we all know, all guns ARE loaded until proven otherwise. It was a firearm that would still fire with the magazine removed, you can guess the rest

I only posted the information in response to the poster (you) who said he had never seen a gun show that required all weapons to be safetied in some way. I just told him where he can see one if he wishes

Edit: Also, picture taking inside the exhibit hall is prohibited as well as videography. It is a private collector club event, not a normal gun show although a wide array of items are for sale (predominately American made)

Edit2: The rules are enforced kind of like rules on a military base. You have to be the guest of a member and he/she is the one responsible for your behavior. If you **** up, you're shown the door (forever) but the member pays the real price

 

[BugI02]

Removal of firing pins is usually what is done at gun trade shows (NRAAM at least in my experience) and it’s still difficult for me to see people pointing what should be inert weapons at each other.

Even then, when I picked up a gun there, I checked the magazine well and chamber and didn’t point it at anyone.

So very much THIS^^^

IMO it is a bad habit to get into and the reason for the first (Cooper's) rule. There should never be a situation in which it is considered OK to be careless. Even a cleared weapon is to be kept pointed in a safe direction