Brace Ban

[churchmouse]

R losses won't effect gun legislation. They have proven over and over the last 3 years to aid gun control measures. They grandstand and twist words to keep their base calm. R or D, it's the same thing.

I can not put up any logical argument here.

But, what where is this other team you speak of. Just curious.

 

[Jludo]

My fear if we turned our backs on the GOP and became apathetic, did not vote or vote for the enemy; well my fear is we will not get another chance to save what little we have left. The socialists have already declared what they want to do; take from "us". Take everything, guns, money, healthcare, education and such. They want to control it all and I believe if they get into power, they will forever change this country. Like or not, Trump is our best option. Like it or not, voting for the opposition or not voting at all will result in failure.

We are faced with changes unlike ever before. Childish individuals who will not support the GOP because they do not get 100% of their way are actually turning their back on the rest of us who support the 2A and America. Just like the left has slowly taken away our freedoms, we must slowly regain them. Winning one election will not change anything; however, losing one at this point in time, is beyond critical.

We are at war....you win some battles and lose some - but ever give up or turn your back on what made us great; otherwise we all lose - the war.

Could vote libertarian. Republicans are taking us down the wrong road at a slightly slower pace. To keep buying this lesser of 2 evils bs is to continue down the wrong road.
Or do you think Republicans are going to suddenly turn it around?

 

[STFU]

I think you're right, Repubs and Dems both ultimately only care about keeping their seats. Like when Obama was in office the Repubs seemed more willing to fight on conservative issues. It may end up being better for 2a to vote a Democrat president into office and a Republican into the house/senate. Forces Republicans to act more Republican if they get to play up the resistance narrative.

This is spot on. When O was in office, we got looser on gun control. The "assault weapons ban" expired and the dems could not get it re-upp'd.
45 has proven over and over that he is not pro 2A. Lest we forget the whole "take the guns first, due process later," next was the bump stock ban, now pistol braces. He is just a RINO lining his pockets and fleecing the US while screwing up the economy.

There is an old saying: "All politics is local." VERY true. If we don't elect who we need locally, our voices NEVER get heard at the top levels.
Just my $.29 ($.02 adjusted for inflation)

 

[WebSnyper]

This is spot on. When O was in office, we got looser on gun control. The "assault weapons ban" expired and the dems could not get it re-upp'd.
45 has proven over and over that he is not pro 2A. Lest we forget the whole "take the guns first, due process later," next was the bump stock ban, now pistol braces. He is just a RINO lining his pockets and fleecing the US while screwing up the economy.

There is an old saying: "All politics is local." VERY true. If we don't elect who we need locally, our voices NEVER get heard at the top levels.
Just my $.29 ($.02 adjusted for inflation)

Didn't AWB expire in 2004? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_legislation_in_the_United_States

 

[STFU]

Didn't AWB expire in 2004? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_legislation_in_the_United_States

Ah, you are correct. I am just remembering all of the FAILED fights to get it reinstated after Sandy Hook.
As a matter of fact, O was good for gun owners even though he was portrayed as the guy who was going to take all of our guns. He could not get squat passed on gun control:
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595

Again, all politics is local.
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[churchmouse]

Could vote libertarian. Republicans are taking us down the wrong road at a slightly slower pace. To keep buying this lesser of 2 evils bs is to continue down the wrong road.
Or do you think Republicans are going to suddenly turn it around?

Have you seen the people that are libertarian candidates.........
There is nothing solid there. So much needs to be done in that arena. So much.

I hate the whole lesser of 2 evils thing but it is the truth we seem to be stuck with. I can not remember voting for someone I actually wanted to be President since Ronnie and he had his issues.

 

[Ziggidy]

Could vote libertarian. Republicans are taking us down the wrong road at a slightly slower pace. To keep buying this lesser of 2 evils bs is to continue down the wrong road.
Or do you think Republicans are going to suddenly turn it around?

No, the GOP will not suddenly turn it around, no one will. Voting a 3rd party at this time is certainly not going to help at all, at least now. At this time we need to rebuild slowly, just as we have been taken down the socialism path, slowly. If we can maintain majority, maintain control then the conservatives, constitutionalists and such can become stronger. It is not until we gain back some of what we have lost will we be able to turn it around. In other words, we need to unite behind a party that supports our constitution and our values, grow that base and then (and only then) will be be in the position to make further demands; possibly libertarian?

Taking a stand not to vote because we lost bump stocks will not help the pro-2nd cause and only take us further down the path to communism. Any further to the left, and it will take more than a vote to get bacon track.

 

[Jludo]

No, the GOP will not suddenly turn it around, no one will. Voting a 3rd party at this time is certainly not going to help at all, at least now. At this time we need to rebuild slowly, just as we have been taken down the socialism path, slowly. If we can maintain majority, maintain control then the conservatives, constitutionalists and such can become stronger. It is not until we gain back some of what we have lost will we be able to turn it around. In other words, we need to unite behind a party that supports our constitution and our values, grow that base and then (and only then) will be be in the position to make further demands; possibly libertarian?

Taking a stand not to vote because we lost bump stocks will not help the pro-2nd cause and only take us further down the path to communism. Any further to the left, and it will take more than a vote to get bacon track.

Name the conservatives standing strong under this GOP presidency, they've dwindled down to be counted on one hand. Conservatives lose ground when the GOP is on top.
The GOP is not a party that supports our constitution, that is the entire point.

 

[Jludo]

Have you seen the people that are libertarian candidates.........
There is nothing solid there. So much needs to be done in that arena. So much.

I hate the whole lesser of 2 evils thing but it is the truth we seem to be stuck with. I can not remember voting for someone I actually wanted to be President since Ronnie and he had his issues.

I'd take Gary Johnsons policy positions over Trumps or Clintons every time. Would you not?
So much needs done in the libertarian camp? Implying not as much needs done in the GOP or Dem camp?

 

[Ziggidy]

I'd take Gary Johnsons policy positions over Trumps or Clintons every time. Would you not?
So much needs done in the libertarian camp? Implying not as much needs done in the GOP or Dem camp?

The libertarian party cannot win at this time. We are a split nation at the moment. Any reduction in the GOP vote will cause the socialist party to win. It's simple math. Timing is everything.

I will vote against socialism however I can. I'm not a stubborn hero....just realistic.

 

[Jludo]

The libertarian party cannot win at this time. We are a split nation at the moment. Any reduction in the GOP vote will cause the socialist party to win. It's simple math. Timing is everything.

I will vote against socialism however I can. I'm not a stubborn hero....just realistic.

Realistic gets us to the same place just at a slower pace. Enough stubborn heroes might actually change something. Then again that might just be a youth and inexperience thing, to believe we could actually change course.

 

[churchmouse]

I'd take Gary Johnsons policy positions over Trumps or Clintons every time. Would you not?
So much needs done in the libertarian camp? Implying not as much needs done in the GOP or Dem camp?

Oh for cripe sake. That is a diversionary tactic if ever I have seen one. Gary Johnson is a stooge. Billary is a deviate non-moral psycho and Trump is....well, he is Trump. I did say the entire system is a joke in so many words.

I also asked "What do we do now" and this is no answer.
Johnson is no leader. He has zero. Maybe some ideas but nothing else. There is no platform. Nothing. Hell man I have ideas but I am no leader. Many in this forum have some really good ideas but again, leaders. Nope.

You put it out there and I am merely looking for a solid answer and this is not it.

JMHO. But....???

 

[churchmouse]

The libertarian party cannot win at this time. We are a split nation at the moment. Any reduction in the GOP vote will cause the socialist party to win. It's simple math. Timing is everything.

I will vote against socialism however I can. I'm not a stubborn hero....just realistic.

This is unfortunately the reality of what "IS" and the 3rd party is not a reality...........Yet.

 

[churchmouse]

Realistic gets us to the same place just at a slower pace. Enough stubborn heroes might actually change something. Then again that might just be a youth and inexperience thing, to believe we could actually change course.

When I was a much younger man I held these same ideals. Then the reality of what actually runs this country set in. We do not vote for those that hold the strings.

 

[Ziggidy]

Realistic gets us to the same place just at a slower pace. Enough stubborn heroes might actually change something. Then again that might just be a youth and inexperience thing, to believe we could actually change course.

The socialist party will applaud your heroism....I will not.

And yes, I believe we can make a difference.


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[Jludo]

The socialist party will applaud your heroism....I will not.

And yes, I believe we can make a difference.


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The crony capitalists pulling the GOP strings appreciate your loyalty.

 

[Expat]

I am just glad we are all in agreement that the braces are bad.

 

[Gabriel]

I am just glad we are all in agreement that the braces are bad.

You may look like a nerd for a while, but when you get them off and your teeth are all straight you will be glad you had them.

 

[churchmouse]

The corny capitalists pulling the GOP strings appreciate your loyalty.

At some points in these conversations you make a lot of sense. Good solid points. But this one just does not pass the litmus.And yes, those titans of industry and power are pulling the strings. They always have. All of this is by design. And it will take a concerted and well organized effort to put the train back on the tracks. But which set of tracks. That is the real issue. What direction will the new voters take this country.

Gary Johnson would be another puppet of the machine if and when he ever realized his desires. -0 was a puppet. Not sure about Bush but he was beholden to those that put him in the big boy chair. They all are. With out the money they are just also rans.

Call us old farts cynical if you will. But having watched all of this transpire it has become pretty clear at least to me that what I used to know is no more and will not return. There is change on the horizon. Once us old farts are gone our voices will be gone as well. The AOC's and Bernies, the snake oil salesman have the mush brained progressives in tow. The Muslims are here. And they have a plan. They are united. So many factions want to take the helm. Gary Johnson is not the man to stand this down. I am not sure it will be.

But not to give up. I have 9 G-daughters and 5 great G-kids to think about.

 

[Ziggidy]

At some points in these conversations you make a lot of sense. Good solid points. But this one just does not pass the litmus.And yes, those titans of industry and power are pulling the strings. They always have. All of this is by design. And it will take a concerted and well organized effort to put the train back on the tracks. But which set of tracks. That is the real issue. What direction will the new voters take this country.

Gary Johnson would be another puppet of the machine if and when he ever realized his desires. -0 was a puppet. Not sure about Bush but he was beholden to those that put him in the big boy chair. They all are. With out the money they are just also rans.

Call us old farts cynical if you will. But having watched all of this transpire it has become pretty clear at least to me that what I used to know is no more and will not return. There is change on the horizon. Once us old farts are gone our voices will be gone as well. The AOC's and Bernies, the snake oil salesman have the mush brained progressives in tow. The Muslims are here. And they have a plan. They are united. So many factions want to take the helm. Gary Johnson is not the man to stand this down. I am not sure it will be.

But not to give up. I have 9 G-daughters and 5 great G-kids to think about.

Many good points! What i do not understand is why many are blind to see what is happening and how their apathy will actually hurt the USA. The socialists have had a plan for years and have been patient with its implementations. They are united, they are patient and they are edging closer to their dream daily. The muslims have a plan also and have been patient. They have somehow gained grace with many Americans, in spite of 9/11 and the obvious other actions. The GOP, well, are stagnant. They have given up their strength in exchange for some self righteous image they believe they have. And then you have Trump. Very rough around the corners and yet, very effective in bringing out the reality of who we are up against - on either side of the aisle. Trump, a definite sight for sore eyes with his anti-establishment what is exhibited in is lack of political savvy. A welcome change, yet many of his supporters are seemingly abandoning ship, because he needs to play politics from time to time.

What I don't understand is how blind must one be to see that the nay-slayers are playing right into their plan. They are so happy to hear all the negative talk coming from the right, about Trump, NRA, this or that! The socialists love it. The muslims love it. A no vote for Trump is a vote for the anti-American parties that will take power from all of us; we all know their plan. A third party vote is ridiculous because it will again, take away a vote from Trump. I don't get it.

I will vote for Trump again. I may not like all he does. I may not like all the twitters. I may not like some of his decisions. I DO KNOW that I will vote for him because at this time, in the year 2020 we will have anti-americans doing their best to implement socialism or sharia law or both. I know the anti-americans will for certain do everything they can to steal my constitutional rights. I truly believe we are living in a time of great concern. We MUST do whatever we can to preserve our constitution NOW, the civil way so we do not have to worry about our children and grandchildren having to FIGHT for their freedom.

It's up to all of us. It is no longer about "me" but rather about the children and grandchildren. They deserve better. They deserve my very best to help prevent the worse.